Should I go m10 or… (first Leica digital)

[ETrucco]

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1 hour ago, Carlos cruz said:

My main rationale to upgrade was iso dial, I really like having easily accessible control over exposure, and less buttons on the back. Never had problem with bigger m240 body, black paint wears rather easily, but camera is for using not for looking at in my opinion. Batteries held charge really nicely. EVF lacked quality both internally and externally. 
 

Just remembered- wide angles, colour vignette with wide lenses (super angulon, skopar 21) or generally those with protruding back element didn’t perform best.  Colour vignette is worse than with m10 or m11

If buying an m240p meant getting a q 116 as would that be worth it?

again my fave focal lengths are 28 and 50.

 

btw way wife just said buy the newer m10 haha.

but with that budget I can buy the other two.

 

yes I’m nuts. 
 

thank you all

[TomB_tx]

1 hour ago, Carlos cruz said:

Just remembered- wide angles, colour vignette with wide lenses (super angulon, skopar 21) or generally those with protruding back element didn’t perform best.  Colour vignette is worse than with m10 or m11

I use the Skopar 21 and don't find the M10 bad for color vignette, if you stay away from high ISO, as the in-camera corrections are most effective at low ISO. The best I've seen for lack of color vignette is the M10R - it is pretty much without side-to-side color cast even with uncoded use of the Skopar 21 f4.

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The M10 series is my favorite Leicas has done. I’m not sure it’s 2k better than a 240 for someone who’s stretched a bit thin. The WiFi transfer is…I won’t say useless, I do on occasion use it, but if it went away I wouldn’t miss it. Certainly wouldn’t pay for it. ISO from what I’ve seen is marginally better on M10, again, probably not 2k better.

If I actually had an option of a 240 + 116 or an M10 I would just get the M10, but the Q series with a 28mm doesn’t appeal to me for various reasons. Turning getting one camera into two just because you can is never really a good idea to my mind.

Probably the move is to get the 240 and the right lens and be happy with it until (if ever) you feel held back by it. I still don’t feel held back my almost 8 year old M10.

[Carlos cruz]

2 minutes ago, ETrucco said:

I mean since a full frame sensor gathers more light does that mean in different size sensors there is an equivalent or would that just be focal length?

ISO, f stops and focal lengths remain unchanged, the sensor area behind the lens will give you different field of view. If your fav focal lengths are 28 and 50 on aps camera, that could mean you’d want to have 35 and 75 on full frame. I had only one aps camera Epson rd1 and really hated the fact that lenses see differently to what I was used. 

[Carlos cruz]

6 minutes ago, ETrucco said:

If buying an m240p meant getting a q 116 as would that be worth it?

again my fave focal lengths are 28 and 50.

 

btw way wife just said buy the newer m10 haha.

but with that budget I can buy the other two.

 

yes I’m nuts. 
 

thank you all

I’d rather get one camera and maybe an extra lens, but that’s me I always treated camera fairs as a memento “you don’t want to grow old with more cameras than you can carry”. Your wife would probably appreciate if you don’t blow all your money on camera toys ;-]

[Carlos cruz]

6 minutes ago, TomB_tx said:

I use the Skopar 21 and don't find the M10 bad for color vignette, if you stay away from high ISO, as the in-camera corrections are most effective at low ISO. The best I've seen for lack of color vignette is the M10R - it is pretty much without side-to-side color cast even with uncoded use of the Skopar 21 f4.

I was referring to m240 vignetting, on m10 it’s still visible but luckily only one side has some magenta tint. 

[ETrucco]

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23 minutes ago, Carlos cruz said:

ISO, f stops and focal lengths remain unchanged, the sensor area behind the lens will give you different field of view. If your fav focal lengths are 28 and 50 on aps camera, that could mean you’d want to have 35 and 75 on full frame. I had only one aps camera Epson rd1 and really hated the fact that lenses see differently to what I was used. 

Got it .  I guess I expressed myself wrong and yes I meant field of view.  I thought light gathering capabilities were different.

[ETrucco]

25 minutes ago, Carlos cruz said:

ISO, f stops and focal lengths remain unchanged, the sensor area behind the lens will give you different field of view. If your fav focal lengths are 28 and 50 on aps camera, that could mean you’d want to have 35 and 75 on full frame. I had only one aps camera Epson rd1 and really hated the fact that lenses see differently to what I was used. 

Equivalents.  I was speaking in full frame terms.  18 and 35 on apsc

[ETrucco]

So considering all, and since I have some Leica glass I will go for the m10 but just thinking that newer in the case of digital might live longer for me. 
 

and even if went with 240 I couldn’t afford a 28mm Leica haha

[ETrucco]

Btw here’s is my insta https://www.instagram.com/abirdintheclub/ in case someone want to say you are crazy a 240 will do and you deserve an m10 yet! I wouldn’t be offended he

[ETrucco]

And yes there still is time to tell me don’t be a fool and take the m240p.

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One consideration is replacement batteries.  The battery for the M240 has been hard to find on occasion.  I was about to buy one, but my dealer told me that Leica is aware of the problem and trying to address it, but the supply still is spotty.

[Chris W]

17 hours ago, Le Chef said:

I don’t understand how RAW images have any color. The whole point is you set the color temperature as you want in DNGs, unlike JPGs.

It has to do with how the sensor is rendered by the camera. Of course many cameras have different looking raw files. Maybe it was my M240, but even altering the WB in Capture One it was hard to get rid of an orange tint. My M10 files look normal straight out of camera, I can cool them or warm them without having to worry about weird castes or tints.

I mentioned my issues with the M240 on this forum years ago and someone linked me to a custom camera profile for Capture One, so it wasn't just me.

[ETrucco]

Can anyone share some dng files that I can look at of an mp240 and m10 or do you know where I can get some?

I most likely will make the purchase on Monday and I am still trying to decide? 
 

I can do any of them but I don’t want to overspend if I don’t have to but if it’s wise I will.

 

again thank you all.  I know the back and forth is difficult.

[Le Chef]

The issue is not RAW per se, which has no color, but the steps in programs like Lightroom that convert RAW into DNG. And that’s down to Adobe not Leica.

[ETrucco]

On 8/22/2025 at 12:43 PM, Casey Jefferson said:

Tough question, personally after playing around with M10 and M10-P DNG files I do find them to be different, that I prefer the P over the regular one. Hard to put down in words, some people love the M10 SOOC colors, I can't say I do. M-P240 low light isn't bad, just that you'll have to shoot wide open all the time to maintain cleaner noise and reasonable shutter speed.

So if it's a M10 vs M-P240, it'll be the 240 for me. Or else I'll choose M10-P over either.

Do you have any images of all that you can share to compare? If you got low light even better! Thanks 

[Casey Jefferson]

2 hours ago, ETrucco said:

Do you have any images of all that you can share to compare? If you got low light even better! Thanks 

I'll post some when I'm free to dig out the older photos, but you can definitely trust my word on that. M10 will give at least 1 stop better noise performance over M240, plus you can brighten up the image and remain relatively clean while the M240 fall apart with those darker regions so the final image feels like they're 1.5-2 stops better.

[Chris W]

18 hours ago, Le Chef said:

The issue is not RAW per se, which has no color, but the steps in programs like Lightroom that convert RAW into DNG. And that’s down to Adobe not Leica.

Nope. I use Capture One.

There are many discussions on the forum about various cameras delivering different tints in their raw images. People say the M10 tends towards magenta for example.

The M8 and M9 CCD sensors are often described as being nicer than the CMOS, favouring rich greens and reds.

Edited August 24 by Chris W

[Le Chef]

First things first - RAW files aren't really images. Consequently, whenever you are viewing a RAW file, for example in Lightroom, you're not seeing the RAW file - you're seeing one particular interpretation of it. That interpretation is arbitrary, and could vary depending on the camera, the filetype, and the software used to view it. 

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[Casey Jefferson]

2 hours ago, Le Chef said:

First things first - RAW files aren't really images. Consequently, whenever you are viewing a RAW file, for example in Lightroom, you're not seeing the RAW file - you're seeing one particular interpretation of it. That interpretation is arbitrary, and could vary depending on the camera, the filetype, and the software used to view it. 

That's true but we usually stick to just one software and the differences between camera DNG will be apparent right away. I don't have the knowledge to create my own custom profile for a camera and if the DNG isn't usable right away I'll just use another camera model.

On a side note, I had M240 as my first Leica M and had the M-P240 later time and much to my surprise, the M-P had much nicer color to start with and I don't remember I need to touch the colors, they were just right from the get go.