Anthony MD Posted July 7 Author Share #21 Posted July 7 Advertisement (gone after registration) 12 minutes ago, Dazzajl said: 50 years ago, absolutely. Today a machine in China, or anywhere, can create a more perfect piece of glass than the best technician in Germany, or elsewhere. Designs are aided by pretty much the same software in all companies, so if you put the same effort, experience and raw materials in, you’ll get the same quality out, regardless of who and where. The only real look is the one you create. Like all photo/optical companies, Leica exist to help inspire and enable you to tap into your own creativity. My 2ps worth anyway. I doubt China can make a better lens than Leica…! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Dazzajl Posted July 7 Share #22 Posted July 7 18 minutes ago, Anthony MD said: I doubt China can make a better lens than Leica…! I have no doubt at all. At the moment I don’t think they make a lens of overall higher quality but I know they could. There are several lenses from the Chinese manufacturers that have been critically acclaimed for sharpness and rendering within a whisker of the Leica lenses they are based on. If people like Ttartisan have shown they can get 95% of the way there for 20% or less of the cost, I don’t doubt they could go the rest of the way if it was going to make them any money. We live in a time of extraordinary quality at affordable prices in many arenas and it’s great for photographers 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erato Posted July 7 Share #23 Posted July 7 The objective distortion inherent in media propaganda will never alter the truth of scientific facts. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dazzajl Posted July 7 Share #24 Posted July 7 9 minutes ago, Erato said: The objective distortion inherent in media propaganda will never alter the truth of scientific facts. Are you going to put that statement into the context of this chat? Curious to hear your thoughts expanded. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pgk Posted July 7 Share #25 Posted July 7 14 hours ago, Anthony MD said: Finally got the answer that the Leica Look is real. In rangefinder systems the flange distance is considerably shorter. This enables the lens to be designed much simpler and more efficient with more micro contrast in its application. The lens plays the most important part in determining the Leica Look and the rangefinder M takes it to the next level…! I use Leica M lenses on Sony cameras too. The lens adapter ensures that the flange distance is the same as Leica's obviously. So of course I then get the 'Leica look' by using a Sony camera ..... 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alberti Posted July 7 Share #26 Posted July 7 Once . . . the trade-offs in design allowed soft corners, but with an explicit very nice central rendering. Magic sometimes. KoB is [to me] not about the bokeh/rings, but about the magic that happens in the center. In 5k0mm there are also some gems like that. Now Leica has the capability to design with stiffer corners, as they say, “you only use the aperture to get more DoF”. That to me is quite a shift. Do they now let go of a tad of magic??? Some members like raymond of this forum excel in a Leica look with vintage Japanese lenses. Imho, they have found the same or equal colour magic and sharpness as designed by Mandler - such as with Tokyo Simlar lenses, just a grab, of what can be similar. My experience with manual Canon non-RF lenses, also those with internal focussing, were excellent too. It is not flange distance. It is philosophy. [As such facts=outcome, philosophy = input 😘.] - But an experience of many is that Leitz and Leica lenses often have something special. The question is, can that subjective be conveyed in some simple graphs? Or. Some metrics? Or just flange distance? 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anthony MD Posted July 7 Author Share #27 Posted July 7 Advertisement (gone after registration) 13 minutes ago, pgk said: I use Leica M lenses on Sony cameras too. The lens adapter ensures that the flange distance is the same as Leica's obviously. So of course I then get the 'Leica look' by using a Sony camera ..... The sensor on my M-D 262 was designed in Belgium 🇧🇪…! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dazzajl Posted July 7 Share #28 Posted July 7 Many ‘world bests’ have come from Belgium, it doesn’t surprise me that sensors are included. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pgk Posted July 7 Share #29 Posted July 7 19 minutes ago, Anthony MD said: The sensor on my M-D 262 was designed in Belgium 🇧🇪…! And I assume that mine was designed in the USA (Kodak) but I don't know what that has to do with anything. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anthony MD Posted July 7 Author Share #30 Posted July 7 1 hour ago, pgk said: And I assume that mine was designed in the USA (Kodak) but I don't know what that has to do with anything. Different sensors have different characteristics…! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pgk Posted July 7 Share #31 Posted July 7 7 minutes ago, Anthony MD said: Different sensors have different characteristics…! So? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anthony MD Posted July 7 Author Share #32 Posted July 7 2 minutes ago, pgk said: So? There’s a difference in manufacturing as Leica has their Leica Look…! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
earleygallery Posted July 7 Share #33 Posted July 7 58 minutes ago, Anthony MD said: There’s a difference in manufacturing as Leica has their Leica Look…! So you're only talking about the look of Leica's digital M's. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anthony MD Posted July 7 Author Share #34 Posted July 7 (edited) Not really, it could also be a Leica rangefinder film camera that has the Leica Look…! Edited July 7 by Anthony MD Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pgk Posted July 7 Share #35 Posted July 7 10 minutes ago, Anthony MD said: Not really, it could also be a Leica rangefinder film camera that has the Leica Look…! Ahhh. I understand now, all Leica rangefinder cameras look like Leica rangefinder cameras. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anthony MD Posted July 7 Author Share #36 Posted July 7 7 minutes ago, pgk said: Ahhh. I understand now, all Leica rangefinder cameras look like Leica rangefinder cameras. Not, really…! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anthony MD Posted July 7 Author Share #37 Posted July 7 We’re not comparing rangefinder cameras but the images from those mentioned…! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pgk Posted July 7 Share #38 Posted July 7 1 hour ago, Anthony MD said: We’re not comparing rangefinder cameras but the images from those mentioned…! With all due respect, you are not! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
darylgo Posted July 7 Share #39 Posted July 7 @Anthony MD Couldn't agree more with your assessment and conclusion of the Leica Look. That was largely responsible for the limitation of near focus to 1m and the later change to 0.7m. The new lenses with close focus lose that look at .5m, the loss also is seen with the use of the macro adapter but not the close up adapter. 😁 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
erl Posted July 7 Share #40 Posted July 7 The Leica look defined: This is really a long story, but I will compress it, considerably. For a very long time I had been shooting 35mm film with Nikon gear. One day my local dealer put an M6 with 50mm cron in my car and told me to 'go use it'. The following week, my wife looked at a set of images I had made and observed, are you using a new film or a different developer, or something? I replied, yes, something. What? was the next question. So, . . . . she had seen the 'Leica Look'. I said, its a new camera, called a Leica. How much did that cost? When I told her, . . . . that was when I saw the Leica Look!! 🤑😱 EDit: I still retain the direct comparison images I made between the Nikon and Leica. Very definitive. 1 1 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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