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Yup, Billingham, if you don't mind that it looks exactly like a Billingham that maybe contains a Leica, or even two, and some lenses. I have two such bags, and they're what I store things in, and use for drive-to sites. They're wonderful, but they do scream "Leica!!"

Tenba used to have a line that I really like. It was called the Tenba Cooper, and it came in a bunch of sizes from just large enough to hold a single body with lens mounted, all the way up to multi-body, multi-lens systems. 

What I like about it is its utter anonymity. Dark charcoal gray, trimmed with black leather. Sometimes they say, "It doesn't look like a camera bag," but that's silly: they all look like camera bags. 

But at least with the Tenba Cooper there's no clue as to what's inside. It just looks like a non-new, but not beat up, camera bag, if it gets noticed at all. Neat, but very non-flashy. I have about four or five. When I travel by air to visit a city, it's a Tenba Cooper that comes along.

If I were a "grab and run" thief, I'd definitely go after the Billingham before I went for the Tenba Cooper...

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18 minutes ago, DadDadDaddyo said:

If I were a "grab and run" thief, I'd definitely go after the Billingham before I went for the Tenba Cooper...

A choosey thief, that's all we need😁.

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My favorite bags are Fogg bags. They are not cheap, but they are so beautifully made. I don't think they scream camera bag, but they don't look cheap either. It also depends on whether you get them in a discrete color like black on black, or something fancier like one with a contrasting leather trim. My favorite of them for general use is the e flat satchel. What I like about it is that it is a bit flatter and taller than most, so it hugs the body well and it is still reasonable to carry with just a single lens and body. If you do, however, decide to fill it up, it seems to swallow a ton of gear. I can fit both a Mamiya 7II and an M body with an extra lens or more for each in there, or two M bodies with several lenses. If I take out one of the dividers, it will even take a folding 4x5 field camera, a lens, magnifier, meter and one or two film holders.

https://www.foggbag.com/fogg-camera-satchels/e-flat

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1 hour ago, DadDadDaddyo said:

Billingham, if you don't mind that it looks exactly like a Billingham that maybe contains a Leica, or even two, and some lenses. I have two such bags, and they're what I store things in, and use for drive-to sites. They're wonderful, but they do scream "Leica!!"

I'm not sure that even a Leica camera screams Leica. A red dot is meaningless to most people.

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1 minute ago, LocalHero1953 said:

I'm not sure that even a Leica camera screams Leica. A red dot is meaningless to most people.

That's why people prefer SL line to SCREAM LEICA , you get it ? SL = "Scream Leica"

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On 6/3/2025 at 4:19 AM, LocalHero1953 said:

Billingham. Or Fogg .... b-major (which I have) would do it. I just rearrange the partitions to match the camera/lenses I am carrying at the time. They're not fixed. Occasionally I use the flap (velcro one edge only) horizontally to put one lens above another.

Where are you going to put your water bottle? And guide book? And sandwiches? That's the conundrum I never solve.

 

Edit. Once you have a certain number of bags you have plenty of partitions to use. My other conundrum is where to store all the unused partitions. They stick together as a random mass that doesn't store anywhere.

Are Fogg still being made? I know when b sadly passed way, there was a definite (and understandable) shortage but I also read somewhere (here probably) that it was being put into hibernation. 

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1 hour ago, Kiwimac said:

Are Fogg still being made? I know when b sadly passed way, there was a definite (and understandable) shortage but I also read somewhere (here probably) that it was being put into hibernation. 

Nigel intended to continue making bags and I understood he took on an assistant. I haven't bought a bag since b's passing so can't confirm what is happening now. The UK reseller shows little stock, but that always was the case. Contacting b to order, then pay for it and receive it via the reseller was the normal practice. 

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47 minutes ago, LocalHero1953 said:

Nigel intended to continue making bags and I understood he took on an assistant. I haven't bought a bag since b's passing so can't confirm what is happening now. The UK reseller shows little stock, but that always was the case. Contacting b to order, then pay for it and receive it via the reseller was the normal practice. 

I have two and they’re very nice bags. 
 

I hope that they do carry on. 

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27 minutes ago, Kiwimac said:

hope that they do carry on. 

Looks like they are, as our local seller has just received a delivery  of a new design bag in all the colours. I suspect you will need to order what you want as stock will remain batch orientated 

https://robertwhite.co.uk/products/fogg-can-can-satchel-black-fabric-with-havana-leather

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On 6/2/2025 at 11:02 PM, FlashAndPoof said:

Just a warning, I've tried to use the Optech double lens cap, and it's not compatible with some of my lenses that have a deeper flange. Real pity.

Glue two standard rear lens caps together and it works.

Did anyone mentioned Billingham 😅

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41 minutes ago, pedaes said:

Looks like they are, as our local seller has just received a delivery  of a new design bag in all the colours. I suspect you will need to order what you want as stock will remain batch orientated 

https://robertwhite.co.uk/products/fogg-can-can-satchel-black-fabric-with-havana-leather

Looks too narrow to be of much use - the fifth picture down shows a M8 with the tiny Voigtländer 50/2.2 is already pushing the bag out.

A good bag really needs to have just under 80mm internal thickness that corresponds to a M body baseplate to top-plate dimensions.

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1 hour ago, FrozenInTime said:

Looks too narrow to be of much use

I was not suggesting it as a solution. The post was answering the doubt about Fogg still being an active business (posts #30 and 31).

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Apart from the obvious Billingham, how about Wotancraft?  Weight has become quite important to me at the moment and they weigh about half the Billingham equivalent.  Pretty well made, and not too expensive because they're made in Taiwan.  I have the 2L and 3.5L, but the 7L or 10L sound more like they meet the OP's requirements.  The 3.5L is slightly bigger than the Hadley Digital, which I also own.  The 2L holds my M-A body, lens, Sekonic meter, a couple of films, phone and keys.  They don't look super expensive, which is nice when walking around London and travelling on the underground.

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1 hour ago, Photon42 said:

Not sure how easy it is to obtain a Fogg these days. Last Waltz is nice, and so is the Oberwerth Freiburg, which is similar to the Oberwerth M.

The website is up to date and there is a contact form, so just ask https://www.foggbag.com

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On 6/3/2025 at 12:42 PM, DadDadDaddyo said:

Yup, Billingham, if you don't mind that it looks exactly like a Billingham that maybe contains a Leica, or even two, and some lenses. I have two such bags, and they're what I store things in, and use for drive-to sites. They're wonderful, but they do scream "Leica!!"

Tenba used to have a line that I really like. It was called the Tenba Cooper, and it came in a bunch of sizes from just large enough to hold a single body with lens mounted, all the way up to multi-body, multi-lens systems. 

What I like about it is its utter anonymity. Dark charcoal gray, trimmed with black leather. Sometimes they say, "It doesn't look like a camera bag," but that's silly: they all look like camera bags. 

But at least with the Tenba Cooper there's no clue as to what's inside. It just looks like a non-new, but not beat up, camera bag, if it gets noticed at all. Neat, but very non-flashy. I have about four or five. When I travel by air to visit a city, it's a Tenba Cooper that comes along.

If I were a "grab and run" thief, I'd definitely go after the Billingham before I went for the Tenba Cooper...

My Billingham (and Fogg) bags are all black, no obvious labels, and well used (albeit mostly for just transit…no bag when walking around). 

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I have a few Billingham bags,such as the Hadley Small Pro,Hadley Pro 2020,and Billingham 35.I traveled to Namibia with four lenses,a Leica M11,and an M246.Considering the weight and sand protection,I eventually chose the Billingham 35.It turned out to be the right choice.The camera didn't feel like a burden throughout the trip and provided great protection.

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