Is the M10 worth it if...

[mottykytu]

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I consider to upgrade to the M10

But in my country , the M10 cost = MP240 + Summicron 50mm f2 V5 ( Don't know if it is the same situation in you guys living place)

 

it mean that with the M10 money I can buy MP240 and have 50mm f2 V5 to work with. Don't know if the M10 experience really worth a Summicron V5 more than the MP240?

Thank you

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[costa43]

It’s roughly the same difference in cost over in Europe too (I’m making an assumption from some of your recent posts that you are not from a European country, apologies if I’m incorrect here). Whether it’s worth the extra money will depend on what you value. I would say if you can afford a good lens and the newer body then that would be a good direction to go in. The M10 has some nice advantages over the M240. If there are budget constraints then an M240 is still a really good rangefinder that will lose little value should you choose to ‘upgrade’ at a future date.

Edited Friday at 06:16 AM by costa43

[evikne]

What lens do you have now, if you have any?

I think the M10 is worth "a Summicron extra", but the Summicron is also a very tempting lens (I'm tempted myself). 

So if you have a decent lens, buy an M10. If not, go for the M-P 240 + Summicron.

[mottykytu]

1 hour ago, evikne said:

What lens do you have now, if you have any?

I think the M10 is worth "a Summicron extra", but the Summicron is also a very tempting lens (I'm tempted myself). 

So if you have a decent lens, buy an M10. If not, go for the M-P 240 + Summicron.

I have the 35mm 8 elements by LLL

[mottykytu]

1 hour ago, costa43 said:

It’s roughly the same difference in cost over in Europe too (I’m making an assumption from some of your recent posts that you are not from a European country, apologies if I’m incorrect here). Whether it’s worth the extra money will depend on what you value. I would say if you can afford a good lens and the newer body then that would be a good direction to go in. The M10 has some nice advantages over the M240. If there are budget constraints then an M240 is still a really good rangefinder that will lose little value should you choose to ‘upgrade’ at a future date.

Yes, I know the M10 is better in almost any other criteria , but don't know it is worth a 50 F2 V5 "Better" than Mp240 , lol

[Al Brown]

It 100% is.
When you buy an extra 50 it only hurts once. 
When you use the slow and thicc 2013 M240 it hurts every time.

 

Edited Friday at 08:38 AM by Al Brown

[mottykytu]

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50 minutes ago, Al Brown said:

It 100% is.
When you buy an extra 50 it only hurts once. 
When you use the slow and thicc 2013 M240 it hurts every time.

 

not Until your ISO dial have magnet problems, lol

yes M10 is better in many criteria, but also less reliable. That's why I have to consider if I should Ugrade to the M10 or wait for M10-P price to drop - which are much better compare to both m10 and m240 in all aspect !

[Al Brown]

1 hour ago, mottykytu said:

yes M10 is better in many criteria, but also less reliable.

Where did you get this from?????? Did you own both? Coz I did and the one that had to go for a shutter replacement to Wetzlar was M240.

[Helge]

I would go for the M10, since it got a bunch of advantages. Unless the few advantages of the M240 are really a must (I.e. video and some more battery capacity). I don’t see any evidence for the M10 to be less reliable.

[mottykytu]

Well, I do some of my research right here, and it show evidence !

Edited Friday at 11:50 AM by mottykytu

[mottykytu]

1 hour ago, Al Brown said:

Where did you get this from?????? Did you own both? Coz I did and the one that had to go for a shutter replacement to Wetzlar was M240.

 

 

 

Well, I don't think I need to own both to say that, All I need is to do some research RIGHT HERE, IN THE SAME FORUM WE ARE TALKING.

How many times and how often you see The shutter problems of MP240 raise here compare to the M10 Iso Dial ? I don't say M10 is a bad camera, I just say it is not as reliable as the MP240 

Edited Friday at 12:19 PM by mottykytu

[Helge]

This is a pure subjective impression, the 
M240 has other issues. Any significant difference in quality or reliability is not backed by a statistic.

[mottykytu]

6 minutes ago, Helge said:

This is a pure subjective impression, the 
M240 has other issues. Any significant difference in quality or reliability is not backed by a statistic.

Yes M240 has it problems, but many Leica repair shop I think state that it is "Bullet Proof" , I know because of is weight body , but the M10 is not reliable especailly in their early batch. And we don't need to mention the M11 which is very very bad QC !

Edited Friday at 12:18 PM by mottykytu

[Al Brown]

If I am getting smaller it just means that I am running away from this convo.

[mottykytu]

5 minutes ago, Al Brown said:

If I am getting smaller it just means that I am running away from this convo.

It is up to you

I know all the Pros of the M10, and really consider to buy it (especially in Silver Version)

But I don't want to sugar coat it and say that M10 is a Perfect, best Leica evermade bla...bla...

We all have to blame Leica for their bad QC, from the M9 Sensor problems to the M11 Freeze , All their BIG UPDATE have problem, the M240 have its problem too, but it is the least among others M digital ! (may be with the M8)

[TomB_tx]

People who have no problems with their cameras don't bother to post about it, so you can't tell the overall reliability from forum posts. I skipped the 240 series as I found nothing to like about it, but the M10 clicked all the right boxes. Mine has been flawless, and I consider it the best digital. I seldom use a 50 with it and usually stay with a 35 - normally a Summarit 2.5. However lately I've been using the LLL 8 element, and it's a nice combination. On M10 a good 35 easily crops to a 50 FOV when needed.

[evikne]

1 hour ago, mottykytu said:

 

 

 

Well, I don't think I need to own both to say that, All I need is to do some research RIGHT HERE, IN THE SAME FORUM WE ARE TALKING.

How many times and how often you see The shutter problems of MP240 raise here compare to the M10 Iso Dial ? I don't say M10 is a bad camera, I just say it is not as reliable as the MP240 

Reading forums like this can give the impression that a problem is much more widespread than it really is. As @TomB_tx says, people don't bother posting unless they have a problem.

[Helge]

vor einer Stunde schrieb mottykytu:

It is up to you

I know all the Pros of the M10, and really consider to buy it (especially in Silver Version)

But I don't want to sugar coat it and say that M10 is a Perfect, best Leica evermade bla...bla...

We all have to blame Leica for their bad QC, from the M9 Sensor problems to the M11 Freeze , All their BIG UPDATE have problem, the M240 have its problem too, but it is the least among others M digital ! (may be with the M8)

Your are over exaggerating all of this, since you don‘t see the vast majority of completely perfect cameras been sold, I do not see a real issue with Leica‘s QC in comparison to other brands.

A lot of what you are saying is somewhere between conspiracy theory and superstition, I think.

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[mottykytu]

Just now, Helge said:

Your are over exaggerating all of this, since you don‘t see the vast majority of completely perfect cameras been sold, I do not see a real issue with Leica‘s QC in comparison to other brands.

A lot of what you are saying is somewhere between conspiracy theory and superstition, I think.

You can search on youtube and All the videos will show you how bad QC the M11 is !

[mottykytu]

18 minutes ago, evikne said:

Reading forums like this can give the impression that a problem is much more widespread than it really is. As @TomB_tx says, people don't bother posting unless they have a problem.

Which also show that the m10 ISO dial problems happen much more frequently than any MP240's problems, doesn't it ?

Edited Friday at 01:58 PM by mottykytu