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2 hours ago, TDog said:

Leica forum members are pedantically rigid on what they expect to see

That's one way of seeing it.

[IkarusJohn]

3 hours ago, TDog said:

Apparently so. To be fair there’s bigger problems in the world, it seems the Leica forum members are pedantically rigid on what they expect to see and read in here, which is obviously fine.… I typed OG, it’s 4 pages in and half the conversation was about that and not the actual subjective post 😁

Just because we write in english, doesn’t mean we share meanings …

Much of the pedantry is an excuse for entertainment.

[jdlaing]

16 hours ago, F-train said:

What is MPB?

 

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A used camera gear seller.

[steve edmunds]

I find MPB UK good on price to buy lenses/cameras from and also the products for me always work perfectly well [ M system] but selling stuff to them not so much as they always inspect the gear and offer a reduced price.

London camera exchange are very fair when selling gear i have found.

[LocalHero1953]

8 hours ago, steve edmunds said:

as they always inspect the gear and offer a reduced price.

They always inspect, but rarely reduce, in my experience. I have had one item reduced in price and two items upgraded. Most of mine have been bought at the online quoted price.

[TDog]

24 minutes ago, LocalHero1953 said:

They always inspect, but rarely reduce, in my experience. I have had one item reduced in price and two items upgraded. Most of mine have been bought at the online quoted price.

My experience at UK MPB is the same. Though the one downgrade to a quote they did pull was for £200 which pissed me off a bit. 

[colonel]

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On 4/30/2025 at 1:25 PM, TDog said:

is interesting isn’t it. I imagine companies like MPB, even the risk of a 6 month warranty on such expensive kit with such a bad reputation previously, is a hard buy. Plus it isn’t a great camera to be left with if the m11-V gets a lot of traction. 

used Leica M's will hold value like they always will

If the V is EVF only then the M11 will be even higher value

[TDog]

1 hour ago, colonel said:

used Leica M's will hold value like they always will

If the V is EVF only then the M11 will be even higher value

Why? Genuine question

[colonel]

1 hour ago, TDog said:

Why? Genuine question

Leica M buyers value tradition and especially the mechanical rangefinder. If it is replaced the camera just becomes another digital camera without AF. The rangefinder has the best manual focus of any system IMhO. And mostly I prefer manual focus to auto focus.

I have had virtually every film and digital M. The depreciation for digital Ms is the same every generation. A slower step type depreciation then other digital cameras. It also settles after a few generations. M8, M9 and M240 have been roughly the same price for many years, tending slightly up.

Edited May 12 by colonel

[TDog]

1 hour ago, colonel said:

Leica M buyers value tradition and especially the mechanical rangefinder. If it is replaced the camera just becomes another digital camera without AF. The rangefinder has the best manual focus of any system IMhO. And mostly I prefer manual focus to auto focus.

I have had virtually every film and digital M. The depreciation for digital Ms is the same every generation. A slower step type depreciation then other digital cameras. It also settles after a few generations. M8, M9 and M240 have been roughly the same price for many years, tending slightly up.

I don’t think they’ll ever ditch the optical viewfinder, I think there will just be an additional model V, like the P and D, and maybe even a VP. 

 

if they did full ditch the optical element I think they’d see a very quick decline in M new purchases overall. 
 

have you ever used a Fuji X100? Their implementation is amazing, it’s a million miles away from an RF in every sense, but it’s definitely more optical than most, I can see Leica doing something similar. 

[colonel]

1 hour ago, TDog said:

I don’t think they’ll ever ditch the optical viewfinder, I think there will just be an additional model V, like the P and D, and maybe even a VP. 

 

if they did full ditch the optical element I think they’d see a very quick decline in M new purchases overall. 
 

have you ever used a Fuji X100? Their implementation is amazing, it’s a million miles away from an RF in every sense, but it’s definitely more optical than most, I can see Leica doing something similar. 

I agree. They may do a hybrid viewfinder. I wouldn't turn my nose up at this if the implementation was right. but an EVF only M wouldn't interest me in the slightest.

Fuji copied the Leica X concept, the rest is history

I like Fujis, in fact I have the new GFX100RF camera, which is something really special.

But the M rangefinder is still my favourite camera, and despite all my sonys, hassleblads and others, gets the highest number of keepers. IMHO

 

Edited May 12 by colonel

[TDog]

32 minutes ago, colonel said:

I agree. They may do a hybrid viewfinder. I wouldn't turn my nose up at this if the implementation was right. but an EVF only M wouldn't interest me in the slightest.

Fuji copied the Leica X concept, the rest is history

I like Fujis, in fact I have the new GFX100RF camera, which is something really special.

But the M rangefinder is still my favourite camera, and despite all my sonys, hassleblads and others, gets the highest number of keepers. IMHO

 

I whittled down my gear to what I use, it’s an odd mix, but I would love an x100rf, beautiful piece of kit, I think it’s more niche than monochrom Leica Qs, but for how I shoot it would be perfect for me. The day I can afford one as well as this Leica I’ll jump on one for sure.   They had a nerve calling it a range finder though   … I wouldn’t go near an M EVF myself, I like looking through glass. 

Edited May 12 by TDog

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4 hours ago, colonel said:

Leica M buyers value tradition and especially the mechanical rangefinder. If it is replaced the camera just becomes another digital camera without AF. The rangefinder has the best manual focus of any system IMhO. And mostly I prefer manual focus to auto focus.

That may apply to some Leica M buyers (or, perhaps, simply 'owners').

To me, the tradition bit is quite irrelevant. What's all-important with the M system (for me, again)  are the ergonomics and the accuracy of the opto-mechanical rangefinder. Obviously, there are many applications where other kinds of cameras are vastly more useful. Hence, I would greatly love in addition to the rangefinder camera another body which handles the same as the M type camera and which has the same sensor stack, for those other use cases. You might call this an EVF M camera, if you like. The name doesn't matter.

Actually, for some use cases the camera does not even need a viewfinder; a socket for an external monitor showing a live view would be quite sufficient, provided there was some kind of focus assist.

[JNK100]

3 hours ago, TDog said:

I don’t think they’ll ever ditch the optical viewfinder, I think there will just be an additional model V, like the P and D, and maybe even a VP. 

 

if they did full ditch the optical element I think they’d see a very quick decline in M new purchases overall. 
 

have you ever used a Fuji X100? Their implementation is amazing, it’s a million miles away from an RF in every sense, but it’s definitely more optical than most, I can see Leica doing something similar. 

The X100 vi EVF is small and low resolution and the OVF is small and distorted. The worst of both worlds in my view.

[steve edmunds]

9 hours ago, LocalHero1953 said:

They always inspect, but rarely reduce, in my experience. I have had one item reduced in price and two items upgraded. Most of mine have been bought at the online quoted price.

maybe its just me over rating the stuff i sent them in that case.

[TDog]

15 minutes ago, JNK100 said:

The X100 vi EVF is small and low resolution and the OVF is small and distorted. The worst of both worlds in my view.

Each to their own

[LocalHero1953]

2 minutes ago, steve edmunds said:

maybe its just me over rating the stuff i sent them in that case.

It's a mystery

[Budfox]

On 5/12/2025 at 12:19 AM, steve edmunds said:

I find MPB UK good on price to buy lenses/cameras from and also the products for me always work perfectly well [ M system] but selling stuff to them not so much as they always inspect the gear and offer a reduced price.

London camera exchange are very fair when selling gear i have found.

In my experience MBP (UK) have usually increased their quotes either due to the condition being improved (I prob used to be too conservative in my assessments) or by adding more for including accessories (eg original straps, charger and/or the box) for the more expensive models.

eBay have dropped their ridiculous 13% commission on sales for private sellers which does make MBP less competitive -but I find eBay so much hassle and full of scammers (even buyers as scammers somehow) that MBP or other decent exchange sites are so much more tempting. 

[Smudgerer]

31 minutes ago, Budfox said:

In my experience MBP (UK) have usually increased their quotes either due to the condition being improved (I prob used to be too conservative in my assessments) or by adding more for including accessories (eg original straps, charger and/or the box) for the more expensive models.

eBay have dropped their ridiculous 13% commission on sales for private sellers which does make MBP less competitive -but I find eBay so much hassle and full of scammers (even buyers as scammers somehow) that MBP or other decent exchange sites are so much more tempting. 

I just had an excellent experience with making a trade through Kamerastore, ( Finland ), trading two VM lenses against a Summicron 35 ASPH, Their trade-in quote for the two VM's was on the money and the condition of the Summicron was much better than I had expected, the shipping was fast too, all of which will make me wish to trade with them again. I also have bought and traded with MPB ( EU ) and have nothing bad to say about that firm either, I hate the Ebay Russian Roulette dance so having these alternatives is nothing but good news.

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[steve edmunds]

On 5/19/2025 at 9:48 AM, Budfox said:

In my experience MBP (UK) have usually increased their quotes either due to the condition being improved (I prob used to be too conservative in my assessments) or by adding more for including accessories (eg original straps, charger and/or the box) for the more expensive models.

eBay have dropped their ridiculous 13% commission on sales for private sellers which does make MBP less competitive -but I find eBay so much hassle and full of scammers (even buyers as scammers somehow) that MBP or other decent exchange sites are so much more tempting. 

thanks,i never use ebay but i like MPB but as i have said maybe i have over rated stuff i sold them so interesting to hear your view on that.