keithlaban.co.uk Posted April 15 Share #361 Posted April 15 Advertisement (gone after registration) 2 minutes ago, Smogg said: It's really worth comparing with the Q3 28, not the Q3 43. The second cat didn't fit in the picture because of its too narrow focal length😜 The Q3 28 has never been on my shopping list, it's either too wide or not wide enough. And one pussy at a time is quite enough. 😜 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Smogg Posted April 15 Share #362 Posted April 15 Another thing I found when comparing cameras: Fuji does a much better job of recognizing a person's face and figure. Leica doesn't do a good job with small figures and very often gives a false positive result. While I was circling my living room with Leica, it found 9🤣 people in it, while Fuji found only one ghost. In practice, this leads to the fact that when using face recognition on Leica, you cannot be sure where the autofocus will go, as a result, you waste time switching to spot autofocus and you risk missing the shot. In Fuji, switching to spot autofocus occurs instantly (it is enough to press just one button and turn off face recognition). In addition, if there are several people in the frame, it is much easier to select the right person on Fuji and the camera will hold on to him, without jumping to another. On Leica, for some reason, face recognition requires switching to focus on the entire frame, and on Fuji, you can make it so that face detection occurs only near the selected focus point. Considering that I only find an autofocus camera useful for quickly identifying people (I prefer the M11 in all other cases), the Fuji is probably a better fit for me than the Q3. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
setuporg Posted April 15 Share #363 Posted April 15 The Q3 43 people tracking is weird indeed. Need to assign a function button to toggle it to spot. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
E.H. Posted April 15 Share #364 Posted April 15 12 hours ago, Smogg said: For what I shoot, it is very important to show the context without significant perspective distortions (close to how a person sees), while maintaining the effect of presence. That is why I almost never use open apertures. If I am forced to open the aperture to highlight the main subject, not finding a way to do it otherwise, I regard it as my creative failure. IBIS is also not very important to me, since I almost always use 1/125 or 1/250 speed. So for me, a slow lens and the lack of IBIS are not minuses. Nevertheless, the GFX100RF certainly has its shortcomings. My, not yet complete, list of shortcomings looks like this: 1. Too soft to turn on, easy to turn on accidentally; 2. No highlights metering; 3. Unresponsive joystick with very sharp spikes (expect a callus on your finger and scratches or holes in your clothes); 4. When face detection is on, it is impossible to change the exposure metering mode (for some unknown reason, all Fuji have the same problem); 5. The camera does not remember the zoom after switching it on/off. My list of shortcomings in the Q3 28/43 is much longer. In the Fuji, there is the flashing “blown-out-whites” indicator which allows you to exposure compensate accurately (the Q3 has this feature too). In my experience, the Leica highlight metering mode is helpful, but can still lead to blown-out whites. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/419964-leica-q3-or-fujifilm-gfx-100rf/?do=findComment&comment=5787064'>More sharing options...
Smogg Posted April 15 Share #365 Posted April 15 3 minutes ago, E.H. said: In the Fuji, there is the flashing “blown-out-whites” indicator which allows you to exposure compensate accurately (the Q3 has this feature too). In my experience, the Leica highlight metering mode is helpful, but can still lead to blown-out whites. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! On Fuji, for precise exposure, in addition to blinking highlights, I use an RGB histogram (a wonderful thing), which I have on a separate button. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smogg Posted April 18 Share #366 Posted April 18 Among the minor drawbacks of the GFX100RF, I would note a rather vague feeling of pressing the shutter button, almost complete lack of feedback. You can tell the difference between how an expensive car door closes and how a cheap one closes, right? So the on/off switch and shutter button in the GFX100RF are borrowed from a cheap camera. As I wrote above, this camera is not quite premium yet, but only an attempt to be premium. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smogg Posted April 18 Share #367 Posted April 18 Advertisement (gone after registration) Today I photographed my children's games with the GFX100RF. I was pleased... But then I picked up the M11-P and continued with it. It's like night and day, you can't even compare the speed of work and the satisfaction from shooting. How much easier it is to work with a rangefinder. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
keithlaban.co.uk Posted April 18 Share #368 Posted April 18 Unfortunately, as far as cameras are concerned, simplicity is often underrated and the term is used in the pejorative. 4 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smogg Posted April 18 Share #369 Posted April 18 Based on tactile sensations and pleasure from the shooting process, my rating is: (M11) >= (X2D) >> (Q3 28/43) > (GFX100RF). From a practical point of view, in relation to what and how I shoot: (M11) = (X2D) >> (GFX100RF) >> (Q3 28/43) 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve edmunds Posted April 18 Share #370 Posted April 18 (edited) On 4/13/2025 at 8:51 PM, Smogg said: One thing I can say with confidence already: X2D and M11 are head and shoulders above GFX100RF ergonomically. With Q3 28/43 the situation is not so clear for me yet. error by me Edited April 18 by steve edmunds Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve edmunds Posted April 18 Share #371 Posted April 18 Fuji have only just put the instruction manual online and i got stressed and confused trying to read it! i am 66 years old so maybe its that but much prefer the simple menu of my Q2 and M262. i do have an Olympus camera i use for wildlife which is also dreadful like the Fuji but i am not keen to bother learning the Fuji one so will pass on it. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smogg Posted April 19 Share #372 Posted April 19 Based on almost a week of using the GFX100RF, I can say that I would be unlikely to keep this camera if the EVF-M introduced fast manual focus and some help with eye/face focusing. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phatcat Posted April 19 Share #373 Posted April 19 2 hours ago, Smogg said: Based on almost a week of using the GFX100RF, I can say that I would be unlikely to keep this camera if the EVF-M introduced fast manual focus and some help with eye/face focusing. That’s basically what is holding me back from getting one, waiting for the EVF-M. I moved from M to the Q because I am tired with rangefinder focusing. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Le Chef Posted April 19 Share #374 Posted April 19 13 hours ago, Smogg said: if the EVF-M introduced fast manual focus and some help with eye/face focusing. What does this mean? Focusing with a manual lens will be as first as you can move the focusing ring. I’m not sure how a purely manual focus lens and camera could use eye/face focusing. Do you mean detection? Remember it’s likely the M-EVF would be based on the M11 and use the Maestro III processor, so not that sophisticated. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smogg Posted April 19 Share #375 Posted April 19 9 minutes ago, Le Chef said: What does this mean? Focusing with a manual lens will be as first as you can move the focusing ring. I’m not sure how a purely manual focus lens and camera could use eye/face focusing. Do you mean detection? Remember it’s likely the M-EVF would be based on the M11 and use the Maestro III processor, so not that sophisticated. Yes, I hope for highlighting of eyes when they are in focus. You can call it eye detection. I'm sure the EVF-M will be on the Maestro IV, otherwise we'll get the same lag as when using the EVF in the M11. This will be unacceptable for a camera that relies only on the EVF and doesn't have an OVF. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Le Chef Posted April 19 Share #376 Posted April 19 I see no point as a manual focus M lens will not be able to track eyes or face. You will know no more than you do with the rangefinder focus patch. Remember the lenses have no electrical connection to the body. And is suspect Leica will not spend money putting Maestro IV into what will be an old camera with an EVF. Maestro IV, or maybe Maestro V likely won’t appear in an M until the M12 which is rumored to arrive in 2027. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smogg Posted April 19 Share #377 Posted April 19 6 minutes ago, Le Chef said: I see no point as a manual focus M lens will not be able to track eyes or face. You will know no more than you do with the rangefinder focus patch. Remember the lenses have no electrical connection to the body. And is suspect Leica will not spend money putting Maestro IV into what will be an old camera with an EVF. Maestro IV, or maybe Maestro V likely won’t appear in an M until the M12 which is rumored to arrive in 2027. Why do you need electrical contacts in the lens? AI can find faces in the picture. Phase points will show the necessary rotation direction to make the image sharper. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Le Chef Posted April 19 Share #378 Posted April 19 31 minutes ago, Smogg said: Why do you need electrical contacts in the lens? AI can find faces in the picture. Phase points will show the necessary rotation direction to make the image sharper. On that basis you should already be able to have all of that currently with the SL3 and SL3-S. If it’s not available with those cameras it’s highly unlikely to be on an M-EVF based on the M11. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smogg Posted April 19 Share #379 Posted April 19 21 minutes ago, Le Chef said: On that basis you should already be able to have all of that currently with the SL3 and SL3-S. If it’s not available with those cameras it’s highly unlikely to be on an M-EVF based on the M11. I still hope that Leica will present something special for its centenary. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simone_DF Posted April 19 Share #380 Posted April 19 1 hour ago, Smogg said: Why do you need electrical contacts in the lens? AI can find faces in the picture. Phase points will show the necessary rotation direction to make the image sharper. Just wanted to point out that even with the Nikon ZF, eye confirmation is supported only with chipped lenses or adapter, e.g. if you mount a M lens on a dumb adapter, it won’t work, but if you mount the same lens on a chipped adapter, then you get a green confirmation box when the eye of a subject is in focus. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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