eleven24 Posted February 26 Share #1 Posted February 26 Advertisement (gone after registration) Have shot variants of the M for a decade or two and 6 months ago picked up a M11M after realizing most of what I do is converting those color images to BW. I haven't really touched the M10 since getting the Monochrom & have been loving it, but I've also been using it in very familiar places like NYC. I'm literally leaving in 8 hours for the airport and still going back and forth between including the M10 in my travel kit, currently consisting of the M11M, 35 APO, 50 APO and 24mm Summilux. Concern 1 is weight while walking around. I'm used to just one body and at most 2 lenses. Concern 2 is the value of everything while walking around. I do have PPA Plus insurance up to $30k, so I'm not terribly worried about that part - but more being a target. Concern 3 is the mental struggle of having another option instead of just sticking with the camera I have. All of this is outweighed by the FOMO on finding some terrific warm light or colors and only having BW. I'm asking this here in the Monochrom forum for those who shoot entirely BW as I'm still at the point where I'm 50% ready to sell the M10 and just go M11M. But just not there yet. Anyone else have this dilemma before a big trip and find themselves just shooting BW after bringing the color camera along too? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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rogxwhit Posted February 26 Share #2 Posted February 26 M(M), 35 & 24, and stop agonising or you'll miss that flight! 🙂 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andybarton Posted February 26 Share #3 Posted February 26 Do you normally travel with two camera bodies? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dazzajl Posted February 26 Share #4 Posted February 26 39 minutes ago, eleven24 said: Anyone else have this dilemma before a big trip and find themselves just shooting BW after bringing the color camera along too? I did exactly this in January. Have had my M mono about 6 months and couldn't quite bring myself to leave a colour body behind on my trip. I did use that colour camera too but only because it was there and I didn't want to take it there and back, having not used it. That said, I'm pretty sure if I had gone mono only, I'd have been thinking about wanting a colour option too. I'd probably take that safety net on this trip and then have actual experience to decide for the next one. If you get fed up of carrying two bodies around the UK, you can give one to me Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris W Posted February 26 Share #5 Posted February 26 Where are you going? At this time of year most of the UK is low light and the cities are pretty gritty. Home turf for B&W. You could bring both and leave one in your hotel safe while walking around with the other. Don't worry about being robbed, unless you wander into rough areas after dark. Two cameras around the neck though does probably mark you out as a wealthy tourist. I generally travel one camera one lens, but I can see traveling with options but leaving most things at your hotel on a daily basis. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
eleven24 Posted February 26 Author Share #6 Posted February 26 2 hours ago, Chris W said: Where are you going? At this time of year most of the UK is low light and the cities are pretty gritty. Home turf for B&W. You could bring both and leave one in your hotel safe while walking around with the other. Don't worry about being robbed, unless you wander into rough areas after dark. Two cameras around the neck though does probably mark you out as a wealthy tourist. I generally travel one camera one lens, but I can see traveling with options but leaving most things at your hotel on a daily basis. All points exactly in my thought process. We'll be mostly in London, so in my head it might as well be NYC which is where I almost always shoot B&W exclusively. I'm also bringing a nondescript Bellroy sling that I'll always leave one body in if shooting the other. In reality though, I suspect after the first day I'll just end up leaving the M11 in the hotel safe, where in the least I'll have a backup should the M11M act up. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
eleven24 Posted February 26 Author Share #7 Posted February 26 Advertisement (gone after registration) 2 hours ago, andybarton said: Do you normally travel with two camera bodies? No, I don't. But while I've shot various M systems over the past few (gasp) decades, I've never just had B&W as my only option. Even when shooting film, I could always shoot color if I so chose. I'd bring just the M11 with the idea I could convert, but those M11M images in low light are just magical. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
eleven24 Posted February 26 Author Share #8 Posted February 26 2 hours ago, Dazzajl said: I did exactly this in January. Have had my M mono about 6 months and couldn't quite bring myself to leave a colour body behind on my trip. I did use that colour camera too but only because it was there and I didn't want to take it there and back, having not used it. That said, I'm pretty sure if I had gone mono only, I'd have been thinking about wanting a colour option too. I'd probably take that safety net on this trip and then have actual experience to decide for the next one. If you get fed up of carrying two bodies around the UK, you can give one to me Done. Just let me know where to drop off one of the bodies. Picked up the M11M a few months back and am slowly coming to the realization that I'll eventually sell the M11. I'm just not there yet, especially for a trip to somewhere I don't regularly get to travel to. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pedaes Posted February 26 Share #9 Posted February 26 30 minutes ago, eleven24 said: I'd bring just the M11 with the idea I could convert, There is a lot of iconic colour in London, even on a dull day. The M11 files convert very well, so it would be M11 for versatility for me. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olaf_ZG Posted February 26 Share #10 Posted February 26 5 hours ago, eleven24 said: All of this is outweighed by the FOMO on finding some terrific warm light or colors and only having BW. You’re going to England. Forget about the warm light. Take an umbrella instead. The monochrom is great for dull weather. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris W Posted February 27 Share #11 Posted February 27 14 hours ago, pedaes said: There is a lot of iconic colour in London, even on a dull day. Like? Genuine question. The only colour I see is advertising. I lived in London for 25 years and now live in Somerset. London these days is pretty gritty, dirty, trashy. The culture is amazing, theatre, museums. Also shopping and food. Every time I go I think I should make it a regular monthly outing. Nothing against London, but I don't see it as a wealth of colour, except for the gritty and garish Martin Parr style colour. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andybarton Posted February 27 Share #12 Posted February 27 30 minutes ago, Chris W said: London these days is pretty gritty, dirty, trashy. London doesn't wear its best clothes in March, that's for sure. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viv Posted February 27 Share #13 Posted February 27 Keep it simple - avoid Concern Three. Bring the M1O. You can then shoot in B/W or colour as the fancy takes you. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pedaes Posted February 27 Share #14 Posted February 27 1 hour ago, Chris W said: Like? If I was making a one off visit I would want to go home with colour pics including London Buses and Underground signs for starters. Same as I would want New York taxis' in colour. Be happy to convert what needs converting. We all see things differently. A few of us had a 'photo walk' last week and yes, there were some great b&w subjects down the side streets, but I think that is different to a tourist visit. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris W Posted February 27 Share #15 Posted February 27 I just think London Buses have been done to death. The new ones aren't even that attractive. If you are shooting London buses, use your iPhone. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pippy Posted February 27 Share #16 Posted February 27 17 hours ago, pedaes said: There is a lot of iconic colour in London, even on a dull day. The M11 files convert very well, so it would be M11 for versatility for me. 2 hours ago, Chris W said: Like? Genuine question. The only colour I see is advertising. I lived in London for 25 years and now live in Somerset. London these days is pretty gritty, dirty, trashy. Almost everything I shoot is destined to be rendered in monochrome but, having said that, from my (circa one hour) walkabout yesterday afternoon nine out of the best 12 images will be used in colour. There was a very strange light with near storm-light low and strong directional sunshine which, in conjunction with a fairly dramatic sky, resulted in a near cartoon-like Picture-Postcard-from-the-'Fifties colour palette. VERY weird. One such snap was posted in page 737 (first pic; Battersea Power Station) of the 'View Through Older Glass' thread if that might be of any interest. Too late to help the OP but if I was to head off to Places New I'd most certainly take both the Colour and Monochrom bodies. Philip. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshuaR Posted February 27 Share #17 Posted February 27 I love traveling with both a color and a mono M. Then I decide on any given day what to bring, or just bring both and keep one in my bag while I'm out and about, switching as the light and context changes. I often like to be opportunistic but intentional about color vs. black and white and find that having both enriches the experience more than it complicates it. At other times, f I anticipate sticking with one M mainly, I'll put the main camera on a cross-body strap and the other camera on a wrist strap with a very compact lens, stowed in a pocket, so that I still have options. A great combination for me lately—and my everyday default both traveling and at home—has been an M10-R with 35 Steel Rim Reissue, an M10M with the very tiny Light Lens Lab 35mm 8-element collapsible, and the 50 Noctilux f/1.2 to share between them. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! For me, this is a small enough combination that it's never an issue. The flat profile of the M10M makes it easy to add get into and out of a bag or winter coat pocket. Sharing a focal length between color and mono makes it simpler to decide which one I'll use. Another very nice setup I often rely on is M10-R with 28mm Summicron + M10M with 50mm Lux ASPH. It can be nice to produce a number of images from a trip in which one focal length is color and another is black and white. Mutli-person scenes in color, portraits in black and white, for example. Or the focal length spread can be wider: color in 24mm, mono in 90mm. Then, afterwards, you can print a book and do something cool with the contrasting types of images you've produced. I've also travelled with two bodies and one lens, following a rule like: when the sun is up, shoot color; when it's down, shoot black and white. (I've never done the reverse, but might try it soon.) It's all about what floats your boat, artistically. If I were a 95% mono shooter, of course, I'd probably feel differently. My usage is much more like 50 / 50. 3 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! For me, this is a small enough combination that it's never an issue. The flat profile of the M10M makes it easy to add get into and out of a bag or winter coat pocket. Sharing a focal length between color and mono makes it simpler to decide which one I'll use. Another very nice setup I often rely on is M10-R with 28mm Summicron + M10M with 50mm Lux ASPH. It can be nice to produce a number of images from a trip in which one focal length is color and another is black and white. Mutli-person scenes in color, portraits in black and white, for example. Or the focal length spread can be wider: color in 24mm, mono in 90mm. Then, afterwards, you can print a book and do something cool with the contrasting types of images you've produced. I've also travelled with two bodies and one lens, following a rule like: when the sun is up, shoot color; when it's down, shoot black and white. (I've never done the reverse, but might try it soon.) It's all about what floats your boat, artistically. If I were a 95% mono shooter, of course, I'd probably feel differently. My usage is much more like 50 / 50. ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/419528-bring-an-m10-along-with-the-m11m-on-a-trip-to-the-uk/?do=findComment&comment=5764700'>More sharing options...
Dazzajl Posted February 27 Share #18 Posted February 27 4 minutes ago, JoshuaR said: I love traveling with both a color and a mono M. Then I decide on any given day what to bring, or just bring both and keep one in my bag while I'm out and about, switching as the light and context changes. I often like to be opportunistic but intentional about color vs. black and white and find that having both enriches the experience more than it complicates it. At other times, f I anticipate sticking with one M mainly, I'll put the main camera on a cross-body strap and the other camera on a wrist strap with a very compact lens, stowed in a pocket, so that I still have options. A great combination for me lately—and my everyday default both traveling and at home—has been an M10-R with 35 Steel Rim Reissue, an M10M with the very tiny Light Lens Lab 35mm 8-element collapsible, and the 50 Noctilux f/1.2 to share between them. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! For me, this is a small enough combination that it's never an issue. The flat profile of the M10M makes it easy to add get into and out of a bag or winter coat pocket. Sharing a focal length between color and mono makes it simpler to decide which one I'll use. Another very nice setup I often rely on is M10-R with 28mm Summicron + M10M with 50mm Lux ASPH. It can be nice to produce a number of images from a trip in which one focal length is color and another is black and white. Mutli-person scenes in color, portraits in black and white, for example. Or the focal length spread can be wider: color in 24mm, mono in 90mm. Then, afterwards, you can print a book and do something cool with the contrasting types of images you've produced. I've also travelled with two bodies and one lens, following a rule like: when the sun is up, shoot color; when it's down, shoot black and white. (I've never done the reverse, but might try it soon.) It's all about what floats your boat, artistically. If I were a 95% mono shooter, of course, I'd probably feel differently. My usage is much more like 50 / 50. I just love everything about the pic in that post, right down to the dust on the lenses. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pippy Posted February 27 Share #19 Posted February 27 1 hour ago, JoshuaR said: ...I often like to be opportunistic but intentional about color vs. black and white and find that having both enriches the experience more than it complicates it. At other times, f I anticipate sticking with one M mainly, I'll put the main camera on a cross-body strap and the other camera on a wrist strap with a very compact lens, stowed in a pocket, so that I still have options... ...I've also travelled with two bodies and one lens, following a rule like: when the sun is up, shoot color; when it's down, shoot black and white. (I've never done the reverse, but might try it soon.) It's all about what floats your boat, artistically.... ...If I were a 95% mono shooter, of course, I'd probably feel differently. My usage is much more like 50 / 50... Really nice set-up. As far as 'Main' and 'Secondary' bodies are concerned my approach is a bit different. I'll carry the #2 camera on a neck-strap with the #1 on a wrist-strap and it will be carried in-hand. If I need to switch to the #2 the main camera will be left dangling from the wrist and the second body brought up to eye-level. The pair I use were bought around six weeks apart (22nd December 2019 and 07 Feb. 2020) and even although the vast majority of my snaps, ultimately, will be rendered in monochrome the 'Colour' body has almost twice the number of actuations as does the Monochrom (18,500 vs 10,200). Going off-topic for a moment; do the LLL 35mm f2.0 Collapsible lenses come with both White and Yellow in-fill on the 'beauty-ring' as standard? Interesting - and rather attractive - look. Philip. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris W Posted February 27 Share #20 Posted February 27 Last time I traveled it was with one regular digital camera. When I got home I processed 75% of the images to B&W. Although I admit, the dedicated Monochrome M's have some mojo about them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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