CptSlevin Posted January 31 Share #21 Posted January 31 (edited) Advertisement (gone after registration) 5 minutes ago, Pelu2010 said: So you tested the camera? Or are you regaining to yt videos that you saw of people telling you their opinion? I have tested the camera 3 times in different situations and if I would have to decide which Leica camera I would buy today (mirrorless) , then I would buy the SL3-S. Regarding the AF. I tested Canon and Sony a lot and I own the fx3 and I worked with other Sony cameras and Nikon cameras too and my impression of this autofocus is that it’s up to date and there will come some firmware updates that will improve the AF even more. so maybe you take a walk to a Leica store and test the camera. But if you tested the camera and found that it’s to slow , then maybe tell us what you take pictures of? Do you shoot sports ? Birds ? Highspeed Cars? Rockets ? I tested the af with people and with fast moving cars and with speedlight and with multishot > multishot with 100 mm macro from Panasonic < works perfect 👌 And with summicron and summiliux. Both very fast and not to compare with my sl2-s. So I am curious? Did you hold the camera in your hands? by the way > it’s smaller ! What I like a lot … Do I need to test every piece of gear to form an opinion? based on spec sheets it's a terrible release and AF tests already shows that AF is still not on the S5IIX level. If I want to beta test camera for 6k$ - I will buy Hasselblad, at least it is medium format. Smaller doesn't mean better btw, I hate the new design with terrible on and off button from different era ~2010s. The quality of the body also suffered, they changed the chasi material You really sound like a Leica advocate here, when I stated cold stone facts which can't be opposed, it's past gen for a ludicrous price which doesn't bring anything new to the table except AF which is still not on competition level. Edited January 31 by CptSlevin Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Pelu2010 Posted January 31 Author Share #22 Posted January 31 6 minutes ago, CptSlevin said: Do I need to test every piece of gear to form an opinion? based on spec sheets it's a terrible release and AF tests already shows that AF is still not on the S5IIX level. If I want to beta test camera for 6k$ - I will buy Hasselblad, at least it is medium format. Smaller doesn't mean better btw, I hate the new design with terrible on and off button from different era ~2010s. The quality of the body also suffered, they changed the chasi material You really sound like a Leica advocate here, when I stated cold stone facts which can't be opposed, it's past gen for a ludicrous price which doesn't bring anything new to the table except AF which is still not on competition level. If you are going to be an oracle you need to test everything ! strong opinions will be contested strongly. I find spec sheets very boring. I never read them. I need 5 minutes with a camera and I can tell you if it’s good. If I can’t understand it after 5 minutes I will get into trouble if I am under pressure with clients and models. So to me it’s much more important how fast can I achieve a good image. The rest is tech bs. eg. every time I look at the screen of my M240 I think that the camera is sh…t. a And if I ope. The image in Lightroom I am always amazed. But it’s ok. Keep on reading spec sheets. cheers 🥂 Peter 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BernardC Posted January 31 Share #23 Posted January 31 17 minutes ago, CptSlevin said: Do I need to test every piece of gear to form an opinion? based on spec sheets it's a terrible release and AF tests already shows that AF is still not on the S5IIX level. If I want to beta test camera for 6k$ - I will buy Hasselblad, at least it is medium format. Why are you looking at a 24 MP video hybrid if you want a medium format camera? It won't fulfill your personal requirements. No 35mm will, except perhaps the SL2/SL3 if you pair them with APO-SL lenses. There is a misconception that because a camera is expensive (although less so than other high-end cameras from Canon/Nikon/Sony), it should match every user's needs. That isn't the case for any camera, at any price. If the shoes don't fit, don't buy them, that is a "cold stone fact." 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted January 31 Share #24 Posted January 31 48 minutes ago, CptSlevin said: We will wait and see how good sales of SL3S will be, to my knowledge and internet monitoring activity it has little to no praise from any community from petapixel, dpreview to youtube comments on Leica channels. Everyone points out how strange for Leica to release a pastgen camera in 2025 to compete and exercises in sarcasm regarding Leica tax So what is new for the last 75 years? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CptSlevin Posted January 31 Share #25 Posted January 31 38 minutes ago, jaapv said: So what is new for the last 75 years? Stacked sensors, PDAF accuracy, BSI CMOS sensors with usable ISO 6400, state of the art 1.2 lenses, sharp and have little to no CA. IBIS up to 7 stops if shake free shooting. In body raw recording for non cinema cameras, gimbals, drones list goes on and on, really man? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CptSlevin Posted January 31 Share #26 Posted January 31 1 hour ago, Pelu2010 said: If you are going to be an oracle you need to test everything ! strong opinions will be contested strongly. I find spec sheets very boring. I never read them. I need 5 minutes with a camera and I can tell you if it’s good. If I can’t understand it after 5 minutes I will get into trouble if I am under pressure with clients and models. So to me it’s much more important how fast can I achieve a good image. The rest is tech bs. eg. every time I look at the screen of my M240 I think that the camera is sh…t. a And if I ope. The image in Lightroom I am always amazed. But it’s ok. Keep on reading spec sheets. cheers 🥂 Peter Still no counter arguments regarding mediocre and lagging behind the competition release for highly saturated market. i don’t need to test gear to understand that it’s lagging behind the market standards Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted January 31 Share #27 Posted January 31 Advertisement (gone after registration) 16 minutes ago, CptSlevin said: Stacked sensors, PDAF accuracy, BSI CMOS sensors with usable ISO 6400, state of the art 1.2 lenses, sharp and have little to no CA. IBIS up to 7 stops if shake free shooting. In body raw recording for non cinema cameras, gimbals, drones list goes on and on, really man? That is no what I said. I mean Leica negativism outside the Leica community. I said nothing at all about technical progress Sensors? 75 years??? s Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HPFM Posted January 31 Share #28 Posted January 31 Suggest to go back to the "SL3-s Focus thread" and dont´t worry about sales figures from Leica... I already tested the SL3-s before buying at the Leica Store and now after it arrived yesterday - for my purposes as a second body for wildlife-shooting to my SL3 the outcome from AF-c with 15fps is convincing. The Multishot-mode handheld suffers from the new Firmware 211 - if you don´t stand like a rock in the surf mulitshot handheld does not work imo. hope that we get back to the original state 4 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted January 31 Share #29 Posted January 31 Even the SL 601 works for wildlife for me - but then I am not into bursts. In my experience I get the decisive moment in one shot and the camera rattling mostly just misses it. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HPFM Posted January 31 Share #30 Posted January 31 Am 28.1.2025 um 21:02 schrieb algrove: Takes some breathing practice especially with lenses 50mm and longer. 21mm or 28mm are much easier. yes 😂 tried it with the 100-400... a lot better with 24-90 but not easy to do... 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HPFM Posted January 31 Share #31 Posted January 31 (edited) agree... another story with birding... I missed a lot of good shots with SL2 and also SL3. Attending a workshop from Leica Akademie Germany December 2024 at Usedom and discovering some sea eagles I have ONE sharp shot (SL3 / 500.5.6 and extender 1.4) from a flying sea eagle with nice background out of 10-20 attempts. Best shots regarding birds I have taken are until now are in the past with Nikon D5 before I went for Leica in 2020. With the SL3-s this will improve - I am sure. We had a guy from Leica at Usedom testing the Sl3-s before announced and I´m sure he had a better outcome... Edited January 31 by HPFM 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BernardC Posted January 31 Share #32 Posted January 31 1 hour ago, HPFM said: dont´t worry about sales figures from Leica The funny thing is that 2024 sales figures are coming-out, and the top cameras are what I would get a niece for her 14th birthday (if she is inclined toward photography, of course). Is this what people worry about? Does anyone think that Leica would be better-off if their cameras were sold at the mall in blister packs? "It's between the laptop aisle and the smartphone aisle, if you see inkjet printers you've gone too far!" 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LD_50 Posted January 31 Share #33 Posted January 31 2 hours ago, CptSlevin said: Still no counter arguments regarding mediocre and lagging behind the competition release for highly saturated market. i don’t need to test gear to understand that it’s lagging behind the market standards The issue with your references to the market is the implication that the “highly saturated” market is where the SL3-S, in this case, competes. Leica is positioning it in feature set and price to cover a certain segment of the overall camera market. I don’t think the market is as “highly saturated” when viewed the way they clearly do. To another’s point earlier, they clearly are not going for market share when the market is defined as all mirrorless interchangeable lens cameras. To do that would require a completely different business model that they choose to avoid or in which they know they cannot compete. This applies to all businesses. The market definition is critical and almost never is the broad one you seem to be applying. They likely have sales targets that far underwhelm what you would want them to have given your feedback. All that said, I’m undecided on the SL3-S because I would rather have a combination of their best AF with their best IQ, instead of the split lines they’re offering. I shoot an SL2-S so I’ve history shopping in the small market they’re targeting. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Markey Posted January 31 Share #34 Posted January 31 4 hours ago, CptSlevin said: Leica SL2, SL2S nowadays prices are not going to lie. That`s the remarkable thing which I noticed . Not that ,in itself ,its a reason not to buy a product but never the less its a indicator of perceived value which for Leica cameras seems unusual. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted January 31 Share #35 Posted January 31 4 hours ago, HPFM said: agree... another story with birding... I missed a lot of good shots with SL2 and also SL3. Attending a workshop from Leica Akademie Germany December 2024 at Usedom and discovering some sea eagles I have ONE sharp shot (SL3 / 500.5.6 and extender 1.4) from a flying sea eagle with nice background out of 10-20 attempts. Best shots regarding birds I have taken are until now are in the past with Nikon D5 before I went for Leica in 2020. With the SL3-s this will improve - I am sure. We had a guy from Leica at Usedom testing the Sl3-s before announced and I´m sure he had a better outcome... Tip for BIF: Olympus Dot Sight EE-1 https://focus-review.com/en/review-olympus-ee-1-dot-sight/?amp=1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted January 31 Share #36 Posted January 31 Please don’t indulge in squabbling. Posts removed. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HPFM Posted February 1 Share #37 Posted February 1 vor 15 Stunden schrieb jaapv: Tip for BIF: Olympus Dot Sight EE-1 https://focus-review.com/en/review-olympus-ee-1-dot-sight/?amp=1 👍, think i will buy it… Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
phojomatic Posted February 1 Share #38 Posted February 1 Have to say I tested an SL3-S and the manual focusing has greatly improved!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted February 1 Share #39 Posted February 1 2 hours ago, HPFM said: 👍, think i will buy it… It takes a bit of setting up but then it is quite precise. It is also quite useful for aiming very long lenses. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
吉拉德 Posted February 18 Share #40 Posted February 18 I just got my SL3S after having used a SL2S since 2021. The tilt screen, handled multishot, improved AF are worth the upgrade to me. I am also a Nikon Z9 wildlife shooter, and I plan to try the Sigma 500 F5.6 on the SL3S for wildlife. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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