mpauliks Posted January 28 Share #21  Posted January 28 (edited) Advertisement (gone after registration) vor 34 Minuten schrieb Photoworks: LR denoise is the AI version? Yes, it is AI based and very strong and excellent IMO. Looks pretty natural, if you do not overdo it. If needed you can go up till ca. 48 from 100 or so IMO. So you can go up to such levels IMO. My personal default is ca. 35 or so. SL3-S DNGs seem to work excellent in combination with LR AI denoise. Myself does not use classic denoise on RAW in LR anymore. Ok, if you want to avoid any AI at all then prob. Adobe is not the software to use anymore? Edited January 28 by mpauliks Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Photoworks Posted January 28 Share #22 Â Posted January 28 23 minutes ago, mpauliks said: Yes, it is AI based and very strong and excellent IMO. Looks pretty natural, if you do not overdo it. If needed you can go up till ca. 48 from 100 or so IMO. So you can go up to such levels IMO. My impression is, that SL3-S DNGs work excellent in combination with LR AI denoise. Myself does not use classic denoise on RAW anymore. Ok, if you want to avoid any AI at all then prob. Adobe is not the software to use anymore? I was asking because I don't think it would reflect what the camera can do, more what AI does. Personally in the red car image, I see too many different textures that it does not look natural anymore. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mpauliks Posted January 28 Share #23  Posted January 28 (edited) vor 10 Minuten schrieb Photoworks: I was asking because I don't think it would reflect what the camera can do, more what AI does. Personally in the red car image, I see too many different textures that it does not look natural anymore. Get you! However Iso 40k! Imagine please, what we got out of such high ISO just a few years ago. In order to see, what the camera does at highest ISO we should not use any denoise here. This would show the real differences IMO. This is SL3-S handheld on SL 50 at ISO 50.000 w/o any denoise and SOOC (Flickr Link for further Exif): Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members!  Edited January 28 by mpauliks Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members!  ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/418829-sl3-ssl3sl2-s-high-iso-image-thread-please-post-your-images-here/?do=findComment&comment=5747728'>More sharing options...
Photoworks Posted January 28 Share #24 Â Posted January 28 Just differentiate when it is "Denoise" and "AI Denoise". Raw files need Denoise and sharpening. JPG in camera gets the same treatment. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mpauliks Posted January 28 Share #25  Posted January 28 (edited) vor 12 Minuten schrieb Photoworks: Just differentiate when it is "Denoise" and "AI Denoise". Raw files need Denoise and sharpening. JPG in camera gets the same treatment. For compare reasons, I would like to recommend for this great thread, we can process the images but should avoid to use any denoise at all on RAW. Elsewise it just comes back to a compare of the denoise algorithms and not a compare of the cams at high ISO IMO? JPG should get posted SOOC? Just my 2 cents please. @MRJohn Edited January 28 by mpauliks 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MRJohn Posted January 28 Author Share #26  Posted January 28 6 hours ago, mpauliks said: For compare reasons, I would like to recommend for this great thread, we can process the images but should avoid to use any denoise at all on RAW. Elsewise it just comes back to a compare of the denoise algorithms and not a compare of the cams at high ISO IMO? JPG should get posted SOOC? Just my 2 cents please. @MRJohn I am not sure about it, it's about the final image, and how one got there is not so important IMO. But it needs to be disclosed to learn and one could post a with and without. It would show what is possible with state of the art (by those skilled in the art) software processing. - quite interesting what got posted so far. Historically, I stopped at 6400 since I was not too happy with the DR and noise or effects of noise reduction with my cameras (also film stops at 3200 and while it can be pushed a couple of stops that is what we are historically used to seeing on this end). But seems like one can really push it further now digitally. Definitely one can create "usable" images at higher ISO. But to create an image with an aesthetic wow factor  (which is mostly subjective) at high ISO still seems difficult. What are the use cases for high ISO? I can think of better event shots in dimly lit clubs, or Todd Hido -like House Hunting shots, more depth of field when shooting in the pretty dark, less unwanted motion blur, shorter exposure when needed... maybe a high ISO photo competition would be a good idea. - thanks for all the posts so far 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mpauliks Posted January 28 Share #27  Posted January 28 Advertisement (gone after registration) vor 8 Minuten schrieb MRJohn: I am not sure about it, it's about the final image, and how one got there is not so important IMO. But it needs to be disclosed to learn and one could post a with and without. It would show what is possible with state of the art (by those skilled in the art) software processing. - quite interesting what got posted so far. Historically, I stopped at 6400 since I was not too happy with the DR and noise or effects of noise reduction with my cameras (also film stops at 3200 and while it can be pushed a couple of stops that is what we are historically used to seeing on this end). But seems like one can really push it further now digitally. Definitely one can create "usable" images at higher ISO. But to create an image with an aesthetic wow factor  (which is mostly subjective) at high ISO still seems difficult. What are the use cases for high ISO? I can think of better event shots in dimly lit clubs, or Todd Hido -like House Hunting shots, more depth of field when shooting in the pretty dark, less unwanted motion blur, shorter exposure when needed... maybe a high ISO photo competition would be a good idea. - thanks for all the posts so far Thank you  Then let´s go on on this route! Posting cool images  Yes, I think too super high ISO is very rarely required. However, we have a night animal house here in Berlin! So stay tuned for Plumploris with wide open eyes! 🥰 Curious to see, if AF of SL3-S will manage this too next to super high ISO  Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mpauliks Posted January 28 Share #28  Posted January 28 (edited) SL3 at ISO 6400. Should be SL 24-90 (handheld) ƒ/4.5 1/4s 87mm Prob. denoised classic + In total darkness!  Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Edited January 28 by mpauliks 2 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/418829-sl3-ssl3sl2-s-high-iso-image-thread-please-post-your-images-here/?do=findComment&comment=5747963'>More sharing options...
mschuette Posted January 30 Share #29  Posted January 30 SL3 with Sigma 500/5.6, 1/320, f5.6, ISO 6400, LR, no noise reduction. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! 9 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/418829-sl3-ssl3sl2-s-high-iso-image-thread-please-post-your-images-here/?do=findComment&comment=5748528'>More sharing options...
MRJohn Posted January 30 Author Share #30  Posted January 30 5 hours ago, mschuette said: SL3 with Sigma 500/5.6, 1/320, f5.6, ISO 6400, LR, no noise reduction. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Nice one, - would be curious what the higher resolution of the SL3 made out of the flies which are in focus 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mpauliks Posted January 31 Share #31  Posted January 31 (edited) SL3-S Jpg SOOC ISO 50k SL 24-90  ƒ/3.8 64.0 mm 1/125 handheld no denoise Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members!  Edited January 31 by mpauliks 1 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members!  ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/418829-sl3-ssl3sl2-s-high-iso-image-thread-please-post-your-images-here/?do=findComment&comment=5748960'>More sharing options...
mpauliks Posted January 31 Share #32  Posted January 31 (edited) SL3-S on SL 24-90 ISO 20k ƒ/3.6 48.0 mm 1/160s handheld + no denoise Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members!  Edited January 31 by mpauliks 1 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members!  ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/418829-sl3-ssl3sl2-s-high-iso-image-thread-please-post-your-images-here/?do=findComment&comment=5749014'>More sharing options...
PhotoCruiser Posted January 31 Share #33 Â Posted January 31 The high ISO quality is really impressive! Is the SL2-S similar or is the SL3-S considerable superior? I love to do nigh shots and i feel my SL2 does not really so well with high ISO and in this moment used SL2-S are affordable as second body. Chris 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MRJohn Posted January 31 Author Share #34  Posted January 31 19 hours ago, mpauliks said: SL3-S Jpg SOOC ISO 50k SL 24-90  ƒ/3.8 64.0 mm 1/125 handheld no denoise Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members!  It's a nice composition and an interesting look, you might be able to do this at 1/30th handheld with IBIS and get the ISO down to 12500 or 6400. Would be interesting to compare. Did you apply a Leica Look to this? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mpauliks Posted February 1 Share #35  Posted February 1 vor 11 Stunden schrieb MRJohn: It's a nice composition and an interesting look, you might be able to do this at 1/30th handheld with IBIS and get the ISO down to 12500 or 6400. Would be interesting to compare. Did you apply a Leica Look to this? Thank you! Yes, this is the Leica Look "Eternal". Use it as default for jpg. At the moment checking out Automatic mode, when letting run SL3-S up to ISO 50k max  1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mpauliks Posted February 1 Share #36  Posted February 1 vor 23 Stunden schrieb PhotoCruiser: The high ISO quality is really impressive! Is the SL2-S similar or is the SL3-S considerable superior? I love to do nigh shots and i feel my SL2 does not really so well with high ISO and in this moment used SL2-S are affordable as second body. Chris For me personally too early to say right now. SL2-S and SL3 normally I had running in automatic only up to ISO 6400, SL3 finally up to ISO 12.500. First time I try much higher auto ISO on SL3-S. I think, we have to wait for lab measurements to compare? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mpauliks Posted February 1 Share #37  Posted February 1 SL2-S set at ISO 50.000. SL APO 50. f/3.2 1/160s (SOOC DNG converted to JPG). No Denoise. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! 2 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/418829-sl3-ssl3sl2-s-high-iso-image-thread-please-post-your-images-here/?do=findComment&comment=5749566'>More sharing options...
mpauliks Posted February 1 Share #38  Posted February 1 (edited)  SL3 at ISO 12500 (auto set max) Lumix S 85. f/1.8 1/30s handheld (SOOC DNG converted to JPG). No Denoise. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Edited February 1 by mpauliks 2 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/418829-sl3-ssl3sl2-s-high-iso-image-thread-please-post-your-images-here/?do=findComment&comment=5749573'>More sharing options...
Ken Abrahams Posted February 2 Share #39  Posted February 2 SL3S the same image shot with Apo 90-280, 6400 iso, tripod mounted at 1/4 Sec One without Adobe Noise Reduction and one with Denoise applied. The NR slider was a tad over 50%. I like the noise structure of the SL3S, it's not far off the SL3 camera from my initial observations. Some exposures do not require NR so I always check the test window before applying the treatment. In viewing the NR image here, in hindsight I would reduce the amount of NR applied in LR. Just a side note about the pairing of the SL3 and SL3S that its much easier with identical functions and similar image quality when comparing the pairing between the SL3 and SL2S. It makes good sense to pair the SL3 and SL3S to make use of their capabilities.   Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! 2 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/418829-sl3-ssl3sl2-s-high-iso-image-thread-please-post-your-images-here/?do=findComment&comment=5750196'>More sharing options...
mpauliks Posted February 2 Share #40  Posted February 2 vor 54 Minuten schrieb Ken Abrahams: The NR slider was a tad over 50%. Ken, do not go over ca. 48 please. Over 50 is not good IMO. Thank you for sharing! Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members!  Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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