grahamc Posted January 14 Share #1 Posted January 14 (edited) Advertisement (gone after registration) Hello long time Tetenal kit user here, now discontinued of course. (I gather that another company is continuing Tetenals product now repackaged as ADOX C-tec Unfortunately it’s not available in a australia though) So I’m now wondering what to move on to. The most readily available here in Aus these days are the current Ilford and Jobo kits. Do any members have feedback on these 2 products to share please ?🙏🏻 cheers Edited January 14 by grahamc Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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hansvons Posted January 14 Share #2 Posted January 14 Can you purchase the Fuji Hunt Kit Downunder? It's the best value-for-money C41 kit in Europe. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
erl Posted January 14 Share #3 Posted January 14 Currently, I am using the Ilford C41 kit from Vanbar in Collingwood. No experience, yet, with the Jobo kit. I find the Ilford works fine, but I do use it a little differently from most. I process in a JOBO 1500 autoprocessor with operates on a One Shot principle, which I have favoured for many many years. I have calculated a chart for dilutions at various film formats, quantities etc and I measure out the precise volume of chemistry needed for each process run. The benefit is that every film is always processed in totally fresh chemistry. If you are using the stated method by Ilford to reuse chemicals, I am sure the Ilford chems will be as good as you expect from others, but you need to extend dev times etc to compensate. In the past I have use Tetenal, Fuji, Kodak, Uniclor and even Agfa when it existed, which IMO was the absolute superior bullet proof chemistry. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
grahamc Posted January 15 Author Share #4 Posted January 15 23 hours ago, hansvons said: Can you purchase the Fuji Hunt Kit Downunder? It's the best value-for-money C41 kit in Europe. Thanks Hans Unfortunately they don't seem to be available here Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
grahamc Posted January 15 Author Share #5 Posted January 15 19 hours ago, erl said: Currently, I am using the Ilford C41 kit from Vanbar in Collingwood. No experience, yet, with the Jobo kit. I find the Ilford works fine, but I do use it a little differently from most. I process in a JOBO 1500 autoprocessor with operates on a One Shot principle, which I have favoured for many many years. I have calculated a chart for dilutions at various film formats, quantities etc and I measure out the precise volume of chemistry needed for each process run. The benefit is that every film is always processed in totally fresh chemistry. If you are using the stated method by Ilford to reuse chemicals, I am sure the Ilford chems will be as good as you expect from others, but you need to extend dev times etc to compensate. In the past I have use Tetenal, Fuji, Kodak, Uniclor and even Agfa when it existed, which IMO was the absolute superior bullet proof chemistry. Thanks Erl ! That's an interesting technique for the one-shot, especially calculating the dilution measures by film stock - glad it's working for you . I'm happy to add extended time as this worked fine for the Tetenal kit. I'll give the Ilford a go since you don't report any problems encountered with the quality Cheers Graham Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
erl Posted January 15 Share #6 Posted January 15 have attached my calculated dilution chart, as a PDF,C-41 Colour Film Dev Dilutions 2024.pdf which you may find useful. Note that I try to keep chemicals in near full bottles. As i use them down, I transfer to smaller bottles. Typically the type that Tetenal was packed in, because they are small, they can keep chems fresher. C-41 Colour Film Dev Dilutions 2024.pdfC-41 Colour Film Dev Dilutions 2024.pdf 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
105012 Posted January 15 Share #7 Posted January 15 Advertisement (gone after registration) Hi Erl, I also have the JOBO 1500, and agree with your one-shot methodology, thanks for the chart! 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
grahamc Posted January 16 Author Share #8 Posted January 16 5 hours ago, erl said: have attached my calculated dilution chart, as a PDF, C-41 Colour Film Dev Dilutions 2024.pdf 40.47 kB · 9 downloads which you may find useful. Note that I try to keep chemicals in near full bottles. As i use them down, I transfer to smaller bottles. Typically the type that Tetenal was packed in, because they are small, they can keep chems fresher. C-41 Colour Film Dev Dilutions 2024.pdfC-41 Colour Film Dev Dilutions 2024.pdf 40.47 kB · 4 downloads That's very kind, thanks ! 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
erl Posted January 20 Share #9 Posted January 20 Ilford C41 seems to be OOS around Melbourne. I am going to buy the JOBO C41 this week. I have done preliminary calculations for dilution of the JOBO chemistry etc to suit various process volumes. I have attached a PDF copy of my calculations that I use for One Shot processing. Some of you may find it useful. JOBO C-41 Colour Film Dev Dilutions 2024.pdf 1 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
grahamc Posted January 20 Author Share #10 Posted January 20 1 hour ago, erl said: Ilford C41 seems to be OOS around Melbourne. I am going to buy the JOBO C41 this week. I have done preliminary calculations for dilution of the JOBO chemistry etc to suit various process volumes. I have attached a PDF copy of my calculations that I use for One Shot processing. Some of you may find it useful. JOBO C-41 Colour Film Dev Dilutions 2024.pdf 41.95 kB · 1 download Thanks Erl, yep I’m planning to give Jobo a try also as Ilford out of stock until early Feb it seems Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
erl Posted January 28 Share #11 Posted January 28 Update: I have just bought and used the JOBO C41 kit. IMO, it is identical to the Ilford C41, just repackaged. Both made in Japan and bottles labelled identically. Results are same, as far as I can determine. For Melbourne and nearby photographers, note that Vanbar's Imaging has moved from Collingwood to 'somewhere else' further north. Not listed on their website! I have resorted to shopping online and that does not really suit my purpose. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hansvons Posted January 28 Share #12 Posted January 28 3 hours ago, erl said: it is identical to the Ilford C41, just repackaged. Both made in Japan and bottles labelled identically. Results are same, as far as I can determine. The results should be identical, as C41 is a standardised process (when not using Blix). My uninformed guess is that both Jobo and Ilford kits are based on the semi-professional Fuji Hunt kit, which is also made in Japan. In Europe, the Fuji Hunt kit is the most cost-effective kit on the market. 1 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
grahamc Posted January 31 Author Share #13 Posted January 31 Thanks. I've also been using the Jobo kit with good results. The Ilford one (when in stock) is cheaper here so I'll likely try that next . Thanks for heads up that they are the same 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jensthoes Posted January 31 Share #14 Posted January 31 (edited) Hello, after the insolvency of Tetenal, I began to use the new Jobo chemicals for E-6 and C-41. Not so easy to process as the old Tetenal chemicals (E-6 = 6-bath-process - Tetenal was a 3-bath-process), but the results are very good (far better than with Tetenal before) and I'm very happy with that. With this E-process I get the real sensity of the slide films (with Tetenal the slides tended to be too dark) and the colors are cleaner/ more natural. Best, Jens Edited January 31 by jensthoes 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
grahamc Posted February 7 Author Share #15 Posted February 7 (edited) On 1/15/2025 at 9:40 AM, erl said: Currently, I am using the Ilford C41 kit from Vanbar in Collingwood. No experience, yet, with the Jobo kit. I find the Ilford works fine, but I do use it a little differently from most. I process in a JOBO 1500 autoprocessor with operates on a One Shot principle, which I have favoured for many many years. I have calculated a chart for dilutions at various film formats, quantities etc and I measure out the precise volume of chemistry needed for each process run. The benefit is that every film is always processed in totally fresh chemistry. If you are using the stated method by Ilford to reuse chemicals, I am sure the Ilford chems will be as good as you expect from others, but you need to extend dev times etc to compensate. In the past I have use Tetenal, Fuji, Kodak, Uniclor and even Agfa when it existed, which IMO was the absolute superior bullet proof chemistry. Hi Erl I'm interested in the JOBO ATL-1500, it seems that you've used it for many years and are very happy with it ? I've read up on it, so pretty familiar with how it works generally (rinse water coming in from a tempered source, for example). I gather the timings of each programme are customisable by the user. But that's a couple of questions I can't find the answer to: Does the machine rinse after each chemical 'step' ? If so, is the timing of each of these rinses programmable The reason I'm asking is I'd like to use the machine for ECN-2, so my idea is that I could reprogram the standard E-6 program to look something like this : Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! This should work, but only if there are default washes between steps, because ideally I need washes after Stop and Bleach in ECN-2. These are 30 seconds and 1min washes respectively, so if the ATL-1500 rinses are adjustable then even better! Hope you're able to help, thanks in advance G Edited February 7 by grahamc Quote Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! This should work, but only if there are default washes between steps, because ideally I need washes after Stop and Bleach in ECN-2. These are 30 seconds and 1min washes respectively, so if the ATL-1500 rinses are adjustable then even better! Hope you're able to help, thanks in advance G ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/418574-experience-with-jobo-or-ilford-home-c41-kits/?do=findComment&comment=5753232'>More sharing options...
105012 Posted February 7 Share #16 Posted February 7 On 1/28/2025 at 4:15 PM, erl said: Update: I have just bought and used the JOBO C41 kit. IMO, it is identical to the Ilford C41, just repackaged. Both made in Japan and bottles labelled identically. Results are same, as far as I can determine. For Melbourne and nearby photographers, note that Vanbar's Imaging has moved from Collingwood to 'somewhere else' further north. Not listed on their website! I have resorted to shopping online and that does not really suit my purpose. Hi John, Vanbar shows up at the new address in Apple Maps: https://maps.apple.com/?address=450 Gore St, Fitzroy VIC 3065, Australia&ll=-37.795715,144.983906&q=Vanbar Imaging&t=m 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
erl Posted February 7 Share #17 Posted February 7 3 hours ago, grahamc said: Hi Erl I'm interested in the JOBO ATL-1500, it seems that you've used it for many years and are very happy with it ? I've read up on it, so pretty familiar with how it works generally (rinse water coming in from a tempered source, for example). I gather the timings of each programme are customisable by the user. But that's a couple of questions I can't find the answer to: Does the machine rinse after each chemical 'step' ? If so, is the timing of each of these rinses programmable The reason I'm asking is I'd like to use the machine for ECN-2, so my idea is that I could reprogram the standard E-6 program to look something like this : Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! This should work, but only if there are default washes between steps, because ideally I need washes after Stop and Bleach in ECN-2. These are 30 seconds and 1min washes respectively, so if the ATL-1500 rinses are adjustable then even better! Hope you're able to help, thanks in advance G The answers to your questions are, both Yes & No. It is all user programmable as you want. Google JOBO ATL1500 processor instructions and you will find links to many service options, specifically on how to set times for all aspects of the process. The machine is fantastic. I have used it for 20(?) years. I regularly put 5 rolls of 220 film or 5 rolls of 35mm film through it in batches, for years. The only service problem I had was that the motor died (after extreme use for years) but I bought a new motor on line and fitted it myself. I consider the machine very serviceable and consistently reliable. These day I feed it single rolls at a time as I don't shoot the volume I used to. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
grahamc Posted February 7 Author Share #18 Posted February 7 (edited) 1 hour ago, erl said: The answers to your questions are, both Yes & No. It is all user programmable as you want. Google JOBO ATL1500 processor instructions and you will find links to many service options, specifically on how to set times for all aspects of the process. The machine is fantastic. I have used it for 20(?) years. I regularly put 5 rolls of 220 film or 5 rolls of 35mm film through it in batches, for years. The only service problem I had was that the motor died (after extreme use for years) but I bought a new motor on line and fitted it myself. I consider the machine very serviceable and consistently reliable. These day I feed it single rolls at a time as I don't shoot the volume I used to. Thanks very much Erl, glad to hear you are happy and it’s reliable - I did read also that parts are still available. I couldn’t find an answer on Google about whether the machine rinses between each chemistry stage, but I assume it does (via the tap-water in-take) I have the manual and the programming of the chemistry stages looks fine Cheers, Graham Edited February 7 by grahamc Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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