what is Better leica M with lux 28 + 50 or two leica Q3 ( 28+43)

[jjroroek]

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i switched from leica m10 to Q3 28 half a year ago after having photographed for years with M + summilux 28 and 50. i am very impressed with the Q3 and find the AF and IBS and Viewfinder a big improvement. the only thing i miss is the DOF of the summilux 50. and that makes me probably switch back to an m12 or possibly the m13. but since the arrival of the q3 43 i doubt whether i can not work better with 2 x q3. i think i then also have a nice DOF at 43 and ultimately much cheaper than a new m12 + lux 50 and 28. moreover then always a spare camera and the ibs, af and such on both cameras. does anyone have experience with

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[LocalHero1953]

No direct experience; given your comments, the Q solution looks good.

It's worth remembering, though, that if you choose to crop to get longer focal length equivalents, then your image resolutions drops. With an interchangeable lens camera, using a longer focal length lens has no impact on resolution. 

[jjroroek]

1 minute ago, LocalHero1953 said:

No direct experience; given your comments, the Q solution looks good.

It's worth remembering, though, that if you choose to crop to get longer focal length equivalents, then your image resolutions drops. With an interchangeable lens camera, using a longer focal length lens has no impact on resolution. 

Thanks. the last 8 years i only used 50 and 28  ( 28 as prime) so i dont think the resolution drop will be anreal issue .  and in fact you have the same resolution drop when you crop with an m with 28 or 50

[LocalHero1953]

10 minutes ago, jjroroek said:

Thanks. the last 8 years i only used 50 and 28  ( 28 as prime) so i dont think the resolution drop will be anreal issue .  and in fact you have the same resolution drop when you crop with an m with 28 or 50

Yes - my comment is only relevant if you want to use longer FL lenses.

Edited December 27, 2024 by LocalHero1953

[ajmarton1]

I actually have all 3 cameras including an M10M and Q2M.  I think the Q3 and Q3 43 is an excellent combo.  I used the Q3 in Paris and the Q3 43 in Provence.  Perfect combo.  The Q3 43 has nice DOF options - better than the Q3.  And nowadays you have the blur tool in Adobe LR Classic.  Works fairly well if you want to enhance shallow DOF.  

Edited December 27, 2024 by ajmarton1

[Le Chef]

The eternal question as always is "What do you mean by better?" Surely everyone's definition of better is going to be at least slightly different, based on type of photography, location, etc.

[Kim Dahl]

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I have both a Q3 and a Q343. I am very happy with that combo. They work the same and replace a 24-70 in other brands - for me. I also have an Leica MD - which I use in a completely different way.

Whether I will ever sell my M is probably doubtful.

But it is the Q3 that I use the most, followed by the Q343.

The M is collecting dust at the moment.

The Q328 can well replace the M with a 28 mm.

The M with a 50 mm summilux is something special when you hit focus…

 

[JNK100]

The depth of field of a 43mm f2 will be greater than a 50mm f1.4 at max aperture of course.

How about a Q3 28mm and M with a 50mm 'Lux?

[Smogg]

I tried a similar combination. But I came to the conclusion that I liked the M11-P with a pair of 28/50 much better. So I sold the Q3 and kept the Q3 43 for rainy weather when it is not safe to take the M11-P with me.

[Ko.Fe.]

Is M12 already available?  😜Just add your 50 on it.

 

 

[PeterHatt]

Another possibility and one I’m thinking of is a SL3 plus Leica M-Adapter L - I have seen reports that M lens manual focus works really well using the SL EVF 

[bsmith]

14 hours ago, ajmarton1 said:

I actually have all 3 cameras including an M10M and Q2M.  I think the Q3 and Q3 43 is an excellent combo.  I used the Q3 in Paris and the Q3 43 in Provence.  Perfect combo.  The Q3 43 has nice DOF options - better than the Q3.  And nowadays you have the blur tool in Adobe LR Classic.  Works fairly well if you want to enhance shallow DOF.  

Not even close to the same effect 

[enoxiste]

19 hours ago, jjroroek said:

 

i switched from leica m10 to Q3 28 half a year ago after having photographed for years with M + summilux 28 and 50. i am very impressed with the Q3 and find the AF and IBS and Viewfinder a big improvement. the only thing i miss is the DOF of the summilux 50. and that makes me probably switch back to an m12 or possibly the m13. but since the arrival of the q3 43 i doubt whether i can not work better with 2 x q3. i think i then also have a nice DOF at 43 and ultimately much cheaper than a new m12 + lux 50 and 28. moreover then always a spare camera and the ibs, af and such on both cameras. does anyone have experience with

Hi Everyone!

Same as you, I mostly (%85-95) use 28mm and 50mm focal lengths. I have m7 and q2m reporter, and had m10-r before. Sometimes I also needed IBIS and EVF (AF as well but not too much right now), therefore I sold m10-r and bought sl2-s reporter. I mean, its wonderful camera, I could use easily my summicron 28mm and summilux 50mm with great viewfinder and ibis option (especially for 50mm). Also sl2-s gives me opportunity to use AF with its sl lenses if I will need. So far, I am happy with my decision. When I miss m camera, I shot with my m7  

About q3 and q3 43, I don't have any experience, but I love my q2m reporter (I had m10m, changed with it). Great camera with many possibilities as sl2-s. 

[didier]

2 hours ago, PeterHatt said:

Another possibility and one I’m thinking of is a SL3 plus Leica M-Adapter L - I have seen reports that M lens manual focus works really well using the SL EVF 

I will never quit the M line, at least as long as my eyes allow me to shoot the M.

In digital, I own a M10M and a Q2 reporter.

My thinking right now is to keep the M10M (just perfect for me), and will at some point sell the Q2 (the reporter finish I love prevents me from doing so for the time being  ) and probably buy a SL3 with a 2/50 or 2/35 (non APO to be as light as possible), and use it with its 35 and although with my M Lenses.

It allows me to keep a camera for rainy days ans with AF and enjoy the M as much as possible.

Didier 

 

 

[Herr Barnack]

As for the original question - what is Better leica M with lux 28 + 50 or two leica Q3 ( 28+43)?  I have to say my choice would be the M camera with 28 and 50 Summilux lenses. 

I have a Q2 - it has its place in the scheme of things.  I use it frequently when I want to go with one camera one lens kit.   It is a very nice and very capable camera - but IMHO, the Q cameras are not a replacement for the M camera.  For serious photographic endeavors, I always gravitate to my M cameras and lenses.

Edited December 28, 2024 by Herr Barnack

[jjroroek]

11 hours ago, Herr Barnack said:

As for the original question - what is Better leica M with lux 28 + 50 or two leica Q3 ( 28+43)?  I have to say my choice would be the M camera with 28 and 50 Summilux lenses. 

I have a Q2 - it has its place in the scheme of things.  I use it frequently when I want to go with one camera one lens kit.   It is a very nice and very capable camera - but IMHO, the Q cameras are not a replacement for the M camera.  For serious photographic endeavors, I always gravitate to my M cameras and lenses.

can you explain why "but IMHO, the Q cameras are not a replacement for the M camera.

[algrove]

My first question to your title question is:

Do you prefer AF over the MF of the M? Does this matter to you since many Q shooters use MF on their AF Q's? IBIS of sorts, a fixed lens which helps one just shoot the moment instead of fumbling mentally or physically with lens changes, nice EVF experience and of course diopter control at the touch of a button.. 

Many never talk about the convenience of having the fold out LCD for low level or shooting at waist level.

Edited December 29, 2024 by algrove

[Olaf_ZG]

In the end, to me, the Q proofed the way to go, but that’s just me.

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[Herr Barnack]

17 hours ago, jjroroek said:

can you explain why "but IMHO, the Q cameras are not a replacement for the M camera.

The Q and the M are two totally different machines.  They require two very different ways of working and two different approaches to image making.

[CptSlevin]

2 hours ago, Herr Barnack said:

The Q and the M are two totally different machines.  They require two very different ways of working and two different approaches to image making.

Pressing the button and getting a photo?
Leica M is just manual only, Leica Q is AF + M with superb EVF for manual focusing, which is pain in the butt for eyeglasses users with M.

Leica Q3 + Q3 43 is just an excellent option for people who want simplicity and medium format cropping power.