M11/M11-P/M11-D/M11-M: Firmware update v.2.2.0 brings background transfer with Leica FOTOS

[Baladino]

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On 12/21/2024 at 9:42 PM, Photoworks said:

there is a combination of steps in the red LED menu, you best read up on your manual.

Dear Photoworks 

i have read the manual several times and also performed a search regarding the enquiry regarding this to no avail. The LED menu subsists to show information concerning current settings. There is no way to change the wifi setting though. The option is also unavailable in the camera settings inside the Leica app

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[Baladino]

On 12/21/2024 at 10:35 PM, J S H said:

It’s in the menu under camera settings. 
 

Edit - I am not familiar with the M11-D, and I’m not sure of the interface through FOTOS for various menu settings. On the M11, you can easily access this setting via the on screen menu, but I don’t see it in FOTOS (although there is a camera settings section in FOTOS). Hopefully the setting is present in the FOTOS interface for the M11-D. 

Dear J S H

the setting concerned is not present inside the app. The camera has a in camera option of turning the wifi on and off. Nothing more than that. 5gHz would help transfer RAW files faster

[Baladino]

17 hours ago, Derbyshire Man said:

It's not. A camera reset normally puts it back to 5 however

I have long admired the camaraderie in the users of this forum. And that sense of togetherness in withstanding temporary hurdles and defeats inherent in using a digital Leica. I have been using my M-A and MP for almost 4 years and there has been a strong sense of contentment both from using these cameras and the results therein. 
I read a post describing what you mentioned. At the moment the camera works like a charm. I’m loath to disrupt the status quo and invite the Gods of Chaos into the firmware. Eastern superstitions aside, thank you for being a voice of reason. As another user said perhaps a feature request would help

 

[J S H]

9 hours ago, Baladino said:

Dear J S H

the setting concerned is not present inside the app. The camera has a in camera option of turning the wifi on and off. Nothing more than that. 5gHz would help transfer RAW files faster

I’m sorry, but I’m afraid I can’t be of more help since I have never used the M11-D. I’m curious how you know that it is set for 2.4, if you can’t access the setting?

Edited December 23, 2024 by J S H
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[Baladino]

I appreciate you giving some attention to my enquiry in the first place. Thank you. You must be a King Crimson fan. The function button when pressed multiple times cycles through current settings at the lower border of the viewfinder. I think it’s an elegant way of showing information in a unobtrusive yet simple manner. Despite not having a screen, instantaneous background transfer of images to the iPhone occurs for review if needed. The absence of a screen doesn’t seem like a limitation and the Iphone 16 screen is much more pleasant to view images compared to the M11 or M11-P screens. 

[Derbyshire Man]

1 hour ago, Baladino said:

I appreciate you giving some attention to my enquiry in the first place. Thank you. You must be a King Crimson fan. The function button when pressed multiple times cycles through current settings at the lower border of the viewfinder. I think it’s an elegant way of showing information in a unobtrusive yet simple manner. Despite not having a screen, instantaneous background transfer of images to the iPhone occurs for review if needed. The absence of a screen doesn’t seem like a limitation and the Iphone 16 screen is much more pleasant to view images compared to the M11 or M11-P screens. 

I can't help but think an easy way to allow a handful of the more critical settings (shutter type, shot speed, even WB) could be press function button followed by thumbwheel, rotate thumbwheel to set, press again to action. 5GHz transfer would be something for the app.

[Baladino]

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If Leica somehow put into place what you’ve described it would elevate the M11-D. Not requiring the phone to change settings except to review the previews. The M11-D seems to have faster wireless transfer compared to the base M11. Perhaps it has been optimised. 

[Baladino]

1 hour ago, J S H said:

I’m sorry, but I’m afraid I can’t be of more help since I have never used the M11-D. I’m curious how you know that it is set for 2.4, if you can’t access the setting?

At the moment pressing the thumb wheel allows one to change the ISO, shutter speed and exposure compensation

[Baladino]

4 minutes ago, Derbyshire Man said:

I can't help but think an easy way to allow a handful of the more critical settings (shutter type, shot speed, even WB) could be press function button followed by thumbwheel, rotate thumbwheel to set, press again to action. 5GHz transfer would be something for the app.

White balance for me is largely daylight. The only changes i make are either ISO or shutter speed. Aperture for me is either F5.6 or F8. Apart from when i use a ND filter and make images wide open. 

[aficionados]

15 hours ago, MyLeicaWorld said:

After the update my start up time got long. Anyone experienced this?

Yes me too.

I thought I was delusional and shamed to mention it until now someone else pointed out, and I can finally say me 2 !

 

[Derbyshire Man]

5 hours ago, Baladino said:

At the moment pressing the thumb wheel allows one to change the ISO, shutter speed and exposure compensation

Not in any useful sense can you change shutter speed as once you do this then the viewfinder exposure meter is no longer displayed. With all of the settings the change should be displayed for 1s or so before displaying the VF meter to that one can decide the need to adjust the balance between shutter, ISO and aperture. 
 

It’s the same when you rotate the shutter speed dial on the top of all of them with everything on manual, it then displays the shutter speed (good! Perfect for all of us who need reading glasses) but it never shows the exposure meter so you’ve no idea if you’ve exposed properly. You can sort of get away with this with a rear screen/histogram as you can snap and then check but not with the M11D which means it ends up being even more suboptimal. 
 

Having said that, I may be missing something obvious and maybe a longer user will be able to set me right!
 

 

[Wandering Photographer]

Still no update to FOTOS 5.0.2? Hopefully the Leica Programmers are working on getting the app to show all of the images from the M11's previous downloads to display properly.

[RobW0]

1 hour ago, Wandering Photographer said:

Still no update to FOTOS 5.0.2? Hopefully the Leica Programmers are working on getting the app to show all of the images from the M11's previous downloads to display properly.

Is this referring to a problem where the preview image is there but then when you click on it, it goes black? I seem to have this problem on previously downloaded images, but only from my M11-P and M11-D. The images from my SL2-S, Q3 and M11-Mono still display as normal. 

edit: I wonder if it has something to do with Content Credentials? Those are the only cameras that have it, of the ones I listed I believe. 

Edited December 25, 2024 by RobW0

[mrmr]

6 hours ago, Wandering Photographer said:

Still no update to FOTOS 5.0.2? Hopefully the Leica Programmers are working on getting the app to show all of the images from the M11's previous downloads to display properly.

and on the Android troubles with the background transfer. 

[algrove]

I almost did not upgrade my FW since to me using  the Fotos app just breaks my fun in using an M, but that is just me-an old fashioned Leica M shooter.

[Smogg]

I also don't see any practical benefit from the app and from downloading 3MP photos in the background, since I process all the photos on a computer with a large screen anyway. I'd be glad if someone shared what I'm missing out on by neglecting the app on my phone.

[Wandering Photographer]

1 hour ago, Smogg said:

I also don't see any practical benefit from the app and from downloading 3MP photos in the background, since I process all the photos on a computer with a large screen anyway. I'd be glad if someone shared what I'm missing out on by neglecting the app on my phone.

I download some full resolution dng files to my iPad and work with them in Lightroom. But I download all of them to my workstation with NAS backup and use Adobe Photoshop and other tools to work with them there.

[Wandering Photographer]

17 hours ago, RobW0 said:

Is this referring to a problem where the preview image is there but then when you click on it, it goes black? I seem to have this problem on previously downloaded images, but only from my M11-P and M11-D. The images from my SL2-S, Q3 and M11-Mono still display as normal. 

edit: I wonder if it has something to do with Content Credentials? Those are the only cameras that have it, of the ones I listed I believe. 

Yes, that is the problem. I also use an M10-R and the images downloaded with it have no issues with being displayed by FOTOS. Also not all of the M11 images go black when I click on them. Only some of them do. I download full resolution dng files to both my iPad and iPhone and have had problems with both since the new FOTOS update to version 5 and beyond to 5.0.2.

Edited December 25, 2024 by Wandering Photographer

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[algrove]

All this downloading and editing would make me crazy. I do everything once back at my computer. The Fotos app took so much effort it seems they forgot to help solve once and for all M11 freezes until it became an huge embarrassment.

[RobW0]

5 hours ago, Wandering Photographer said:

Yes, that is the problem. I also use an M10-R and the images downloaded with it have no issues with being displayed by FOTOS. Also not all of the M11 images go black when I click on them. Only some of them do. I download full resolution dng files to both my iPad and iPhone and have had problems with both since the new FOTOS update to version 5 and beyond to 5.0.2.

I don't have any recent ones downloaded on my device. I have been transfering from the camera to an ssd drive and then doing some edits from that. The images that i have seen this with were older ones on the phone and ipad. I found it interesting that the M11-M images do not seem to have this problem. I have been traveling for the last 5 weeks, so only have my M11-D and Q3 with me right now.