Indoor light photography advice

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23 minutes ago, Neel said:

Here is the same picture taken standing right next to me from a Samsung phone. My picture is grainy and noisy… when I enlarge to double the size. The one take on the phone, no noise. 
 

Thanks for all the comments. I acknowledge smart phones do a lot more processing. I take from all the feedback, for indoor photography, where you are not in control of lighting, smart phones are probably better. 
 

I also acknowledge I have a long way to go;  new to manual focus Leica system; I have had it for just two weeks. 
 

 

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Fair enough.
 As an M shooter since 1976: Try to avoid a crutch like zone focusing and run away from bloggers who tout it as the way to use an M They are incompetent. It has a place for one or two applications like shooting from the hip on the street but the best way to learn to use the camera properly in a relatively quick way is to always use the rangefinder, put the EVF at the bottom of a drawer, and accept that your initial success rate will be low. It will improve rapidly, I guarantee you. Otherwise you will be stuck in beginner’s mode forever. 

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2 hours ago, Neel said:

Here is the same picture taken standing right next to me from a Samsung phone. My picture is grainy and noisy… when I enlarge to double the size. The one take on the phone, no noise. 
 

Thanks for all the comments. I acknowledge smart phones do a lot more processing. I take from all the feedback, for indoor photography, where you are not in control of lighting, smart phones are probably better. 
 

I also acknowledge I have a long way to go;  new to manual focus Leica system; I have had it for just two weeks. 
 

 

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picture is grainy and noisy becasue you jacked up the ISO too much to get the F5.6 aperture.  The lens on the Samsungis a much broader focal range as I expected, probably 21 or 24.  You can try to denoise your pic on topaz AI or lightroom etc.

 

You can also see there is severe distortion on the Samsung.  Try to take a couple of pics in the same kitcehn with different settings (start where I posted earlier) and see if you can get better results. It will be a good way to get used to the camera parameters.  The M11 requires a little bit of knowledge but it won't take time to learn is you practice

 

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11 hours ago, Neel said:

Here is a picture from my M11. Thank you for your feedback. 

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I would not worry about the quality of the photo since this is a great example of a perfect family.. enjoy every moment of it .. btw the technical quality of the photo is perfect as far as I can see from my phone’s screen ..

Edited November 30, 2024 by MyLeicaWorld

[JNK100]

The M11 shot isn't that bad.

As others have said, focus on the eyes. I never use zone-focus.

The noise and white-balance can be fixed in Lightroom or whatever software you have. Correcting the white-balance will make all the colours in the shot look right.

If this was shot as a jpeg, I would use Raw in future as it allows far more adjustment.

 

 

 

 

 

 

[LocalHero1953]

Smartphones, and many cameras that only produce JPGs, automatically apply severe denoising and edge sharpening in low light, which becomes very obvious when you enlarge the image. Leica applies no processing of any kind to raw files, and not much to JPGs. You can achieve the same result (or better, since you can control the amount) by denoising software in post processing. While you will not get great shots as JPGs straight out of a Leica, in the end you can process raw files to a higher standard that will withstand greater enlargement or cropping.

As a side note, I downloaded the Leica Lux app on my iPhone and compared the results with the default Camera app. The Camera app produced far more attractive shots at first sight. The reason is that the Leica Lux app produces raw files (.DNG), with pallid skies, bland colours and a general lack of punch. It didn't take long in Lightroom to make the Lux raws match the Camera JPGs, but it was a lesson: if I want a quick snap and to show/share the result quickly (e.g. because of its social subject matter), a smartphone is better than a Leica (or a Leica phone app, or any other phone app that produces unprocessed images). If you want to create an image that you can turn into something that beats everyone else's phone snaps, then shoot raw with a Leica - but don't show the results till you've worked on them!

Edited November 30, 2024 by LocalHero1953

[chris7273]

The phone photo is heavily auto processed : portrait enhancement is too much. 
M11 is a good sensor with a good lens, the resulting image is a raw gem waiting to be cut and polished as you like 🙂 the phone photo is a nice gem but just the same as the other ones in the cheap jewelry …
 

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vor 22 Stunden schrieb Neel:

I had my camera set to f5.6, minimum shutter 4x (160) and auto ISO. Situation was indoor lighting. My pictures were shot with varying ISO 1000 - 10000 depending on the subject lighting. I selected f5.6 for approximately 10feet of dof with subject distance around 10 10feet. 

If your composition requires such a wide DOF and forces you to use f/5.6, the indoor-advantage of your gear is indeed not very huge compared to a Smartphone with a good sensor (some already have 1/1.3" sensors), a fast lens and a multiple of the computing power.

For the example you have shown, in my opinion a shutter time of about 1/60s would have been enough, giving you already about 1.5 stops light advantage. This + applying good denoise algorithms (like Topaz AI denoise) would deliver something much better than your smartphone shot, although the photo turned out very nice anyway.