Elliot Harper Posted April 1 Share #41 Posted April 1 Advertisement (gone after registration) 4 hours ago, colonel said: There is always a sweet spot at the moment. IMHO the SL sweet spot is the SL2. The high res sensor and handling in excellent condition can be obtained for good prices at the moment. This is the interchangeable camera I would get if I was sensible, which I am not ...... I condone most part of your writing except this one. Everyone says 24 MP is a sweet spot, no more no less. I kind of agree. But it hardly makes SL2-S as sweet spot camera just because of the pixel counts. SL3-S is a better camera in every aspect, such as sensor, AF performance. It’s true that it is about $2000 more than SL2-S in today’s market. But I have to say this, in Leica’s term $2000 hardly makes any difference. I’m considering to trade in my SL2-S for a SL3-S now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Chris W Posted April 1 Share #42 Posted April 1 On 11/12/2024 at 1:35 AM, Photoworks said: I would not trust MBD, they say they test and inspect items, but the 3 items I got of Leica lenses were all defective. sent them back. MPB? I bought an 'excellent' SL (601) from them and the sensor was very dirty. I could have cleaned it myself (at my risk), but I also wasn't blown away by the test images I shot. It may have been a tired copy that had other issues. I don't know. But it has slightly put me off the whole SL series. I sent the SL back within a couple of days for a refund. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris W Posted April 1 Share #43 Posted April 1 On 11/5/2024 at 7:01 PM, LocalHero1953 said: All Leicas become legendary after a decade, and their faults become 'character'. That's why the M9, a clunky camera with poster-like colour, and the M240 are now increasing in price. Gotta agree. I had an M8 and saw no magic mojo in the files. they were ok, but the crop factor annoyed me. Bought an M240 and found the images (out of camera raw) very warm, almost orange. I posted about it here and a few people offered custom profiles and/or advice. But there are plenty of great cameras that produce images that already look good when you open Capture One or Lightroom, they only need a tweak to personal taste, so it's annoying to have to fiddle to get to first base. I'm happy with my M10, and I was very happy with the raw out of my original Q. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LD_50 Posted April 1 Share #44 Posted April 1 On 3/28/2025 at 10:06 PM, jlinwinter said: A lot of the Leica pricing halo is unjustified for the SL line when the market segment for mirrorless / autofocus is all about mass production and how many units you can move. The price is justified if they sell at the number Leica is looking for. Leica is not competing for mass production numbers. Profit share is likely more important than market share based on how they market their photography equipment. On 3/28/2025 at 10:06 PM, jlinwinter said: I predict when the SL4's come along, the SL3 will also be massively discounted as well. There’s nothing novel in this prediction. This is how most products go, unless the new one is deemed less desirable than the predecessor, or if the new price increases dramatically and props used prices up. On 3/28/2025 at 10:06 PM, jlinwinter said: What I find really interesting is that the SL2 had a much higher listing price than the SL2-S, but in the used market, the SL2-S is commanding higher prices than the SL2. Just shows the difference between what Leica corporate thinks about their cameras vs what actual users think about the relative value. This likely has as much to do with supply as anything else. Leica corporate’s determination of value relative to end users will be likely informed by new sales, not the used market. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
colonel Posted April 2 Share #45 Posted April 2 17 hours ago, Elliot Harper said: I condone most part of your writing except this one. Everyone says 24 MP is a sweet spot, no more no less. I kind of agree. But it hardly makes SL2-S as sweet spot camera just because of the pixel counts. SL3-S is a better camera in every aspect, such as sensor, AF performance. It’s true that it is about $2000 more than SL2-S in today’s market. But I have to say this, in Leica’s term $2000 hardly makes any difference. I’m considering to trade in my SL2-S for a SL3-S now. Personally I prefer the higher pixels, but i do think you make a good point. The SL2-s in mint condition is between £2.3-2.5k. The sl3-s is £2k more. Depreciated over 3 years say that is worth it to me, to get the smaller size, smaller weight, better handling and higher speed. I fully see the other side though. My digital M always remains one generation behind. The SL2 is a terrific camera. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
costa43 Posted April 2 Share #46 Posted April 2 MPB has an SL2-S for €2100, that’s around £1750. It’s the best value in Leica land at the mo in my opinion. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris W Posted April 2 Share #47 Posted April 2 Advertisement (gone after registration) The SL2 is valued lower than the SL2-S. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris W Posted April 2 Share #48 Posted April 2 19 hours ago, Elliot Harper said: SL3-S is a better camera in every aspect, such as sensor, AF performance. It’s true that it is about $2000 more than SL2-S in today’s market. But I have to say this, in Leica’s term $2000 hardly makes any difference. I'm shopping in this market and watched (rewatched actually) a bunch of online reviews yesterday and found hardly anyone who thought the SL3-S was a better buy than the SL2-S. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elliot Harper Posted April 2 Share #49 Posted April 2 (edited) 4 hours ago, Chris W said: I'm shopping in this market and watched (rewatched actually) a bunch of online reviews yesterday and found hardly anyone who thought the SL3-S was a better buy than the SL2-S. I watched more than 20 different reviews online the past month or so, half of them are neutral, another half are positive and only one is extremely negative which is Chris Nicole from petapixel. And my SL3-S is enroute now. I will give firsthand real personal experience when I use it for a while and compare to SL2-S which I had used for more than a year. Edited April 2 by Elliot Harper Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted April 2 Share #50 Posted April 2 Wishing you joy from your new camera, it is a purely personal matter I think. None of the developments on the SL3S would make it more usable than my SL2S ( which I hugely enjoy) so it is not worth spending money on for me. I see very little improvement from the sensor when comparing images, in my hands - and with the lenses I have - AF is more than good enough and things like flip screens and size ( and AF if needed) are taken care of bij my second string S5ii which is technically on the same level as the SL3S (sometimes better) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LocalHero1953 Posted April 2 Share #51 Posted April 2 I'm not aware of anything about the SL3-S that is actually worse than the SL2-S (unless you find the shape more difficult), and quite a lot that is better. What counts as a "better buy" depends on how you value money and whether you have enough to spare. If you're in the market for a new camera and have enough money, then I can't think why you wouldn't buy a SL3-S. If money is scarce, then the SL2-S becomes more attractive. Very few reviewers appear capable of evaluating a camera without looking at its price. Price is, of course, significant for most people, but the significance is entirely personal - reviewers just can't provide an answer. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted April 2 Share #52 Posted April 2 With me it is a question whether the improvements are of interest to me. Fortunately affordability is not a consideration - within limits 😉. If a camera does not offer any substantial upgrade for me, even 100€ is wasting money. That is the case - for my use- between the SL2S and SL3S. I like reading reviews by good reviewers, but mainly between the lines. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elliot Harper Posted April 2 Share #53 Posted April 2 (edited) 43 minutes ago, jaapv said: With me it is a question whether the improvements are of interest to me. Fortunately affordability is not a consideration - within limits 😉. If a camera does not offer any substantial upgrade for me, even 100€ is wasting money. That is the case - for my use- between the SL2S and SL3S. I like reading reviews by good reviewers, but mainly between the lines. To be honest, I can hardly believe you would turn down an offer of 100 pounds to upgrade from SL2-S to SL3-S if offered, especially when affordability is not a consideration. I used to say the same thing when I saw a McLaren: even if this car were given to me for free I wouldn't want it because it looks very uncomfortable. I said that because I know that nobody would give the car to me for free. Edited April 2 by Elliot Harper Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted April 2 Share #54 Posted April 2 18 minutes ago, Elliot Harper said: To be honest, I can hardly believe you would turn down an offer of 100 pounds to upgrade from SL2-S to SL3-S if offered, especially when affordability is not a consideration. I used to say the same thing when I saw a McLaren: even if this car were given to me for free I wouldn't want it because it looks very uncomfortable. I said that because I know that nobody would give the car to me for free. No, I wouldn't. I don't like the tilt screen, for instance, and the SL2S is exactly the right size for me, especially the handgrip - that leaves very little advantage Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Elliot Harper Posted April 3 Share #56 Posted April 3 7 hours ago, jaapv said: No, I wouldn't. I don't like the tilt screen, for instance, and the SL2S is exactly the right size for me, especially the handgrip - that leaves very little advantage Ok, you are a man with principle, I respect for that. I would accept a free McLaren. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted April 3 Share #57 Posted April 3 Only to sell....🫠 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simone_DF Posted April 3 Share #58 Posted April 3 A big, chunky and heavy camera with no flip/tilt screen, horrendous noise at iso 1600 and above and a mediocre autofocus lost about 75% of its value as soon as a new model that attempts to fix these issues is released. Who would have thought? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted April 3 Share #59 Posted April 3 If you mean the SL2S, where do you get the noise from? It is one of the cleanest cameras on the market - I can get more than usable shots from ISO 100.000. (with a little help in postprocessing) The SL3S is similar, only Leica added an ISO 200.000 setting. And thank the Lord there is no tilt screen - the only thing that is useful is a fully articulated one. The main reason that there appears to be a surplus is the Hamster wheel of megapixels - but still the SL2 has dropped even lower. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CptSlevin Posted April 4 Share #60 Posted April 4 8 hours ago, Simone_DF said: A big, chunky and heavy camera with no flip/tilt screen, horrendous noise at iso 1600 and above and a mediocre autofocus lost about 75% of its value as soon as a new model that attempts to fix these issues is released. Who would have thought? what a load of bs > horrendous noise at iso 1600 Post a proof of it, I shoot only in the night for like 2-3 years and never had an issue with noise pattern > mediocre autofocus From firmware 6.0 it's on the same level of stickiness for portraits in AFc as Canon R6 with its' PDAF Leica SL2/S lost its' value because of the Leica users who are wasting away their cameras in such hurry that they are crushing the market and dumping the price. In Russian segment you can get fresh new with a warranty for 200k Rubles (2300 USD / 2100 Euro), imagine the used market (1700 USD / 1600 Euro) In my opinion a lot of new and modern Leica users are r$tarded, they buy because of prestige / hype and red dot and then understand that these two items doesn't produce better images and what do they do? They sell with a heavy discount. In Russia you can get Leica Q3 for 390k Rubles (4300k USD), show me that price for a pristine quality Leica Q3 on EU / US markets Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/415760-why-such-a-drop-in-sl2-and-sl2s-prices/?do=findComment&comment=5781258'>More sharing options...
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