gbmay Posted December 29, 2007 Share #1 Â Posted December 29, 2007 Advertisement (gone after registration) Effective the first of Jan, we will be limited to the number of lithium ion batteries we can carry aboard an airplane. As I understand the new rule, you can not pack any spare batteries with your check in luggage. You are limited to two lithium ion batteries provided you isolate the terminals and only if you carry them on board. This means that if you take a spare battery for your laptop, cell phone, cameras you are limited to two spares ONLY. Another example of Big Brother at work. I can understand that you may need to isolate the terminals BUT to limit the number of batteries is going too far. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted December 29, 2007 Posted December 29, 2007 Hi gbmay, Take a look here Jan 1 new rules on taking spare batteries on board AC. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
ibogost Posted December 29, 2007 Share #2 Â Posted December 29, 2007 Fascinating. Do you have a link to this announcement? I'd be curious to read its rhetoric. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gbmay Posted December 29, 2007 Author Share #3 Â Posted December 29, 2007 Here is the link Safe Travel. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gbmay Posted December 29, 2007 Author Share #4 Â Posted December 29, 2007 Here is the link Safe Travel Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
elansprint72 Posted December 29, 2007 Share #5 Â Posted December 29, 2007 So carry them on. Â Who checks in baggage anyway? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
glenerrolrd Posted December 30, 2007 Share #6 Â Posted December 30, 2007 Depending on where you are going this can be a real issue. The photojournalists on lightstalker.com are concerned because ..getting access to electricity isn t a given. If the battery is in the intended device ..I think you are Ok after that its limited to 2 individually wrapped. The only work around maybe that you can put a battery in your charger(tape the contacts) and that may be a devise. So 2 M8s , 2 chargers and 2 wrapped is the best you can do. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
elansprint72 Posted December 30, 2007 Share #7 Â Posted December 30, 2007 Advertisement (gone after registration) OK, maybe a film camera? Â Of course, I'm being silly here. Â Two M8s; two chargers?? What type of P-Js are these?!!!!! Â P-Js need one camera which works first time, every time, a credit card and a tube of travel-wash.......... money in the bank. If you need clothes etc, buy them when you get to the job. Â Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angora Posted December 30, 2007 Share #8 Â Posted December 30, 2007 Effective the first of Jan, we will be limited to the number of lithium ion batteries we can carry aboard an airplane. Â Who is "we"? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stephengilbert Posted December 30, 2007 Share #9 Â Posted December 30, 2007 I love this. The crack TSA employees will be determining how many grams of lithium there are in our spare batteries. How many Americans even know what a gram is? And how can a 450 gram (gross weight) Macbook Pro battery have so little lithium in it that it may be carried on? Â I feel so safe now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gesper Posted December 30, 2007 Share #10 Â Posted December 30, 2007 It says you are limited to two in carry on only if they are over 8 grams of lithium. If they are under 8 grams you can have as many as you want. They equate 8 grams with 300 watt hours of energy. I don't know how many grams are in an M8 battery, but it has to be way below 300 watt hours, especially since it says most laptop batteries are below this threshold. For example, a AA lithium ion battery with 853 mAh is only 3.1 watt hours. The M8 battery is 1900 mAh, so maybe 7 watt hours? A very long way from 300! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ho_co Posted December 30, 2007 Share #11 Â Posted December 30, 2007 George-- This is getting crazier and crazier! Two max if over 8 g of lithium each? Could I carry 400 batteries with 1 g lithium each? Â Good opinion piece on how weird our "safety" is getting at: The Airport Security Follies - Jet Lagged - Air Travel - Opinion - New York Times Blog. Â --HC Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
adan Posted December 30, 2007 Share #12 Â Posted December 30, 2007 Just remember the laptop computer batteries that were catching fire at one point - and the ValueJet that crashed in Florida 5 minutes after takeoff due to a fire in the cargo area (in that case due to oxygen generators, but once a fire starts the source is irrelevant... Â In the past week I just read in a pilot's magazine that NO airplane has ever stayed in the air more than 15 minutes once smoke appeared in the cabin/cockpit - they either landed FAST or crashed - and FAST from 36,000 feet is not easy. Â If you absolutely positively need to take something that can't go on a passenger aircraft for safety reasons - air-express it to yourself care of a hotel/ship/friend's house at your destination. Â ..although even that scares me as a flyer, because a lot of small air-express items actually end up being carried in (ooops!) the cargo holds of passenger jets, under contract. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ho_co Posted December 30, 2007 Share #13 Â Posted December 30, 2007 ..although even that scares me as a flyer, because a lot of small air-express items actually end up being carried in (ooops!) the cargo holds of passenger jets, under contract. Â What an irony! For our safety, we mayn't carry these things on board. But we are allowed to pay someone else to carry them on board, and in exactly the part of the plane we were trying to avoid. Â Gee, what would happen if a cabin depressurized and a can of spaghetti exploded, filling the passenger compartment with expanding 'snakes' of pasta? Â Thanks for the insight, Andy! Â --HC Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gesper Posted December 30, 2007 Share #14 Â Posted December 30, 2007 Actually, i dont think you are allowed to ship lithium batteries by air. I buy 9V lithiums on- line for a headphone amp and they are shipped by truck in clearly marked boxes. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
adan Posted January 1, 2008 Share #15  Posted January 1, 2008 Follow up - this from the tail end of the original AP story 12/28:  "The Federal Aviation Administration has found that fire-protection systems in the cargo hold of passenger planes can’t put out fires sparked in lithium batteries. The National Transportation Safety Board earlier this month said it could not rule out lithium batteries as the source of a cargo plane fire at Philadelphia International Airport last year." Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
elansprint72 Posted January 1, 2008 Share #16 Â Posted January 1, 2008 How did the Lithium batteries that I ordered from Hong Kong get to the UK in five days? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dugby Posted January 1, 2008 Share #17 Â Posted January 1, 2008 How did the Lithium batteries that I ordered from Hong Kong get to the UK in five days? Â Well, I guess the Lithium powered bunny can out run and outlast all the others..... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
erl Posted January 1, 2008 Share #18 Â Posted January 1, 2008 One reason I never drink from teacups is because they always seem to have storms in them. Â Several years ago, I travelled to Mexico. In flight (LAX to MEX) I read that no more than 12 rolls of film per passenger were permitted to be brought into Mexico. I was carrying 200 (approx.)! Panic? Resignation! I bluffed it out, mainly because no one was interested. Â It seems the solution is always on "the ground" with the problem. Not in some theroretical work around. But then what do I know. ..... not a lot. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
robsteve Posted January 1, 2008 Share #19 Â Posted January 1, 2008 How did the Lithium batteries that I ordered from Hong Kong get to the UK in five days? Â Perhaps in a dedicated cargo plane like Fedex, UPS, Purolator and a bunch of other couriers have. Â Â Â It sounds like this rule is in regards to passenger planes in the United States shipping batteries as cargo and batteries passengers may have. It is not clear if it applies if you are just flying to the USA from another country. I suppose it might be enforced on flights originating outsite of the USA, but terminating there. Otherwise the airlines may not be able to book you on flights that connect in the USA. Â Another thing to keep in mind was the fire in the cargo hold involved lithium batteries, not Lithium ION batteries. These could have been Litium AA batterires or the newer Lithium batteries like the CR-123 that are used in the Leica Sf-24 flashes. Don't forget to count those in your battery allotment. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bill Posted January 2, 2008 Share #20 Â Posted January 2, 2008 Ah. Â Hang on. Â This only relates to the US. Â Those of us in the Free World have no such restriction. Â Panic over. Â Regards, Â Bill Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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