S+ format, 54x36mm?

[Einst_Stein]

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Sony’s new 247mp sensor has 64.8mm diagonal. About 38x51mm if 3:4 aspect ratio. If Leica is to step in this scale but uses 2:3 aspect ratio. And with a little stretch, it could be 36x54mm.

Could be an interesting S+ if Leica would like to entertain. 

[Pieter12]

I'm sure they appreciate your insight.

[Einst_Stein]

Actually, I don’s know how much photography value to push for either larger sensor or more MP. 
For business or marketing, maybe. For photography? cropping? 

[John McMaster]

6 hours ago, Einst_Stein said:

Actually, I don’s know how much photography value to push for either larger sensor or more MP. 
For business or marketing, maybe. For photography? cropping? 

Indeed, or very very large prints.  More useful would be a larger dynamic range...

john

[BernardC]

23 hours ago, Einst_Stein said:

Sony’s new 247mp sensor has 64.8mm diagonal. About 38x51mm if 3:4 aspect ratio. If Leica is to step in this scale but uses 2:3 aspect ratio. And with a little stretch, it could be 36x54mm.

Could be an interesting S+ if Leica would like to entertain. 

I'm sure that every sensor fab has been in touch with Leica. They will have shared information about un-released sensors too, so you probably won't find the "S4" sensor in their current catalogs.

[Einst_Stein]

5 minutes ago, BernardC said:

I'm sure that every sensor fab has been in touch with Leica. They will have shared information about un-released sensors too, so you probably won't find the "S4" sensor in their current catalogs.

Yes, may be, may be not,

Edited October 15, 2024 by Einst_Stein

[Stuart Richardson]

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I think we can be assured of two things at this point: if an S4 comes out, 1. the sensor will be excellent. 2. people will find reasons to criticize it before they have even gotten within 100km of the camera or looked at a sample file.

[Einst_Stein]

3 hours ago, Stuart Richardson said:

I think we can be assured of two things at this point: if an S4 comes out, 1. the sensor will be excellent. 2. people will find reasons to criticize it before they have even gotten within 100km of the camera or looked at a sample file.

and 3, price would never be an issue, regardless.

[davidmknoble]

So true!

 

[Pieter12]

Everyone seems to assume there will be an S4. And everyone wants all kinds of features not possible within the current design parameters. Why would it not be a completely new camera with a new designation, since it will not really be an evolution of the S cameras.

[LocalHero1953]

10 hours ago, Stuart Richardson said:

I think we can be assured of two things at this point: if an S4 comes out, 1. the sensor will be excellent. 2. people will find reasons to criticize it before they have even gotten within 100km of the camera or looked at a sample file.

And someone will post, their first post in the forum, that it freezes. 

[pgk]

On 10/14/2024 at 2:12 PM, Einst_Stein said:

Sony’s new 247mp sensor has 64.8mm diagonal. About 38x51mm if 3:4 aspect ratio. If Leica is to step in this scale but uses 2:3 aspect ratio. And with a little stretch, it could be 36x54mm.

Could be an interesting S+ if Leica would like to entertain. 

A '645' sensor would open up the use of a lot of older but very good lenses to digital users, together with an evf camera which has a short flange to sensor distance. I don't see this being viable though. Nor do I really see the relevance of these intermediate larger sensors fitted to very costly cameras which outspecify the vast majority of user's needs (as do 60MPixel cameras already).

[Stuart Richardson]

53 minutes ago, pgk said:

A '645' sensor would open up the use of a lot of older but very good lenses to digital users, together with an evf camera which has a short flange to sensor distance. I don't see this being viable though. Nor do I really see the relevance of these intermediate larger sensors fitted to very costly cameras which outspecify the vast majority of user's needs (as do 60MPixel cameras already).

A S camera is not meant for a vast majority of users' needs. It is not an amateur camera. It always was and likely still would be the most niche of all Leica's cameras. It is meant for high end commercial photography, studio work, art etc. A larger sensor is about more than pure megapixels. It allows one to have one's cake and eat it too: in comparison to 35mm sensors of the same generation they give much higher resolution, while also giving lower noise and greater dynamic range. The look of the lenses are different, and at least in the case of a S4, the hope is that if it comes out, it will also be able to use 35mm lenses on the camera too. Much like the SL is the jack of all trades that can use every lens in the Leica lineup, an S4 has the potential to do the same. Having the ultimate image quality when it is helpful, but also able to shoot with smaller or more specialized lenses when more practical (like for long telephotos, extreme wide angles, when doing video etc). Medium format digital has never been more popular, given the success of the GFX and X series.

If they do it, my suspicion is that they would use the sensor class designed for the GFX and Hasselblad (but in their 2 to 3 ratio) rather than the full sized Phase. The reason being that they already have the existing lenses designed for that size, and it would keep the camera size closer to the original.

[Sarnian]

This Kipon GFX lens to Leica S (with auto focus!) is definitely on my Christmas list! 🎅

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[John McMaster]

Are you sure that is the correct way around?  I would have thought S lens on GFX due to register distance....

john

[Stuart Richardson]

1 hour ago, Sarnian said:

This Kipon GFX lens to Leica S (with auto focus!) is definitely on my Christmas list! 🎅

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Where is that from? I cannot find it on their site. If they do indeed make an adapter that allows full use of the S lenses on a GFX, that is quite a big deal, at least for the S lens market. One of the main reasons S lenses are so cheap in comparison to their retail price is that there is nothing else you can use them on except an SL, but being able to use them natively on a 100mp GFX could be amazing.

[Sarnian]

1 hour ago, John McMaster said:

Are you sure that is the correct way around?  I would have thought S lens on GFX due to register distance....

john

Sorry. Silly me - S lenses on the GFX. Looking forward to using my 30-90mm on my GFX100S. What a combination! 

[Sarnian]

31 minutes ago, Stuart Richardson said:

Where is that from? I cannot find it on their site. 

Kipon are just finalising the software; it's due for release sometime in November. 

[Stuart Richardson]

And did you see that somewhere? Or what? I am just curious of the source.

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[Stuart Richardson]

I hope they have the AF speed modulated properly, as it would suck if the adapter killed the AF motors in the S lenses (particularly unmodified ones). It is my understanding that the S adapter L only provides AF with S lenses on SL bodies because they are concerned about third parties causing problems. For example, if Panasonic were to crank up the AF speed on their bodies, that might increase the rate of failure of the lenses, which of course would be a service headache for Leica when they have almost zero service capacity remaining.