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57 minutes ago, jaapv said:

Nor I The problem started when higher processing demands were made on the CPU by the advent of a live video feed from the CMOS sensor for use of an EVF and live view, generating more heat. The smaller body of M10 and M11 does not help either. 

Sigma fp, which is a small camera and mainly intended for videographers, solves the removal of heat through a unique integral evaporation device. I can guess that Leica would not want to spoil the traditional design of its M cameras by using a similar solution.

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4 hours ago, Derbyshire Man said:

My physics was er, quite a long while ago but as long as it’s out of the sunlight a black camera should radiate its heat and equilibrate more quickly than a silver one. If the environmental temperature is higher than the operating temperature then you’re all round stuffed!

For the M11, the top and bottom plate material probably plays a larger role. I'm guessing the brass silver M11 retains heat inside the camera longer than the aluminum black M11.

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I used my M11 and M11-p in very wet (soaking) conditions of the spray from Vic Falls for several hours, never had a problem - but I wouldn't

 change lenses in those conditions ! Hence two cameras, one 35mm lens and one 90mm.

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My first new camera I was able to afford was a Nikon N80. I took it everywhere and anywhere in the great state of Michigan. Blazing hot summers with near 100% humidity. Subzero winters with snow that crunched under your foot because it was frozen. And everything in between. At the time, I didn’t know any better about the cold temperature to warm temperature exposure, etc and it would almost always fog up heavily (lens and viewfinder). I would never put it away ‘wet’ though. I always left it out of its bag in the living room overnight and then put it away the next morning. Had that camera and lenses for years, never an issue at all. These days, I’m in a dry low humidity climate and I treat the gear a bit nicer with being aware of the temp differences (although it’s so dry here that it doesn’t even matter any way). With all that said, think of it all like a wet towel or wet socks you forgot to put out to dry. It started stenching a few days later and such. It’s the same idea with the camera gear (to a lot lesser degree). As long as it’s able to dry out and doesn’t just sit wet for a long period of time, then it’ll be just fine. If Leica, and other cameras, can survive war zones, National Geographic expeditions, etc and there’s zero issues…I’m sure they can survive us taking them out for a stroll on vacation 👍 

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On 10/5/2024 at 12:50 PM, jeri said:

Sigma fp, which is a small camera and mainly intended for videographers, solves the removal of heat through a unique integral evaporation device. I can guess that Leica would not want to spoil the traditional design of its M cameras by using a similar solution.

Pana S5ii has an internal fan and ventilation slits. Protected against moisture ingress of course 

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