Dan States Posted December 25, 2007 Share #1 Posted December 25, 2007 Advertisement (gone after registration) The new Hahnemuhle Baryta gloss finish paper has finally arrived at my camera shop and I took it for a ride today. I've been using the Photo Rag Pearl 320 and up to now that was the best paper I've ever used. The new Baryta paper is even better. I'm using an Epson R2400 and with that printer the Baryta has the most even final finish of any paper I have used. It really looks like fine quality FB analogue print paper. The shadow detail is rich and smooth and the highlights maintain subtle detail better than anything I have tried. I'm in love. Best wishes Dan Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Mauribix Posted December 25, 2007 Share #2 Posted December 25, 2007 The new Hahnemuhle Baryta gloss finish paper has finally arrived at my camera shop and I took it for a ride today. I've been using the Photo Rag Pearl 320 and up to now that was the best paper I've ever used. The new Baryta paper is even better. I'm using an Epson R2400 and with that printer the Baryta has the most even final finish of any paper I have used. It really looks like fine quality FB analogue print paper. The shadow detail is rich and smooth and the highlights maintain subtle detail better than anything I have tried. I'm in love. Best wishes Dan Nice to hear this, but please, can you tell us the printing settings adopted to get better results? Have you tried different settings yet? Best Maurizio MAURIZIO BEUCCI.com - Official web site Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan States Posted December 25, 2007 Author Share #3 Posted December 25, 2007 I could not find the ICC profiles on the Hahnemuhle website for R2400 with Baryta so I'm using the profile for Photo Rag Pearl. I set the R2400 to "Advanced Black and White, Best, and turn off high speed printing. All my images are converted from RAW in C1 4 as Adobe 1998. For color I turn off color management, per manufacturer direction. I'm printing from Elements 4 for Mac. I've found that following the Hahnemuhle directions gives excellent full range prints. They don't have the funny texture differences that I get with Epson paper and profiles. I had been using Ilford Gallerie Smooth Gloss and it's really good and CHEAP, but in oblique light you can see surface issues. On the Hahnemuhle paper the surface is much more consistent, though nothing is perfect even in analog printing. Dan Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
thompsonkirk Posted December 25, 2007 Share #4 Posted December 25, 2007 Before marrying this particular paper, check out the comparative review of new baryta papers on the Luminous Landscape website? Kirk Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
carstenw Posted December 25, 2007 Share #5 Posted December 25, 2007 The Sihl paper is meant to be even better. I mean to try both, but haven't got around to it yet. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wlaidlaw Posted December 25, 2007 Share #6 Posted December 25, 2007 Disappointingly, Hahnemuhle is also not publishing any icc profiles for any of their papers for the Canon Pixma Pro 9500 as yet. You do get one or two with the printer. I suppose the printer is too new new for many of the paper manufacturers to have written the profiles yet, although Ilford had the profiles available before you could buy the printer. I have used various of Hahnemuhle's textured finish papers in my HP B9180 and I have to say you seem to get the results you expected first time every time. In the end, the extra cost of their papers is an economy. Lyson have written me a profile for the PP9500 for their satin paper that seems spot on. I am happy to pass this on to anyone who requires it. Wilson Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Photoskeptic Posted December 25, 2007 Share #7 Posted December 25, 2007 Advertisement (gone after registration) Dan, it's nice that you found something that works for you. Frankly, I'd be surprised if the Hahnemuhle is better than the Harman FB Gloss, also a baryta paper. Yes, I read the review on Luminous Landscape, but I've learned to be a bit cautious in jumping on bandwagons led by Michael Reichman The Ilford looks interesting, but he said it had a warm tone as opposed to the Harman, which is cool. I've been printing with the Harman since it came out and I, personally, don't see a cool tone, even on finished prints. But, what the hell, happy new year and vive le difference! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan States Posted December 25, 2007 Author Share #8 Posted December 25, 2007 Before marrying this particular paper, check out the comparative review of new baryta papers on the Luminous Landscape website? Kirk No, I didn't know there was one. I like to make my own judgements about stuff. I've yet to find a reviewer of cameras, film or paper that I agree with or trust. If I like it that's good enough for me. Best wishes Dan Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wlaidlaw Posted December 25, 2007 Share #9 Posted December 25, 2007 Dan, it's nice that you found something that works for you. Frankly, I'd be surprised if the Hahnemuhle is better than the Harman FB Gloss, also a baryta paper. Yes, I read the review on Luminous Landscape, but I've learned to be a bit cautious in jumping on bandwagons led by Michael Reichman The Ilford looks interesting, but he said it had a warm tone as opposed to the Harman, which is cool. I've been printing with the Harman since it came out and I, personally, don't see a cool tone, even on finished prints. But, what the hell, happy new year and vive le difference! John, I am a great Ilford fan but you have to start from the premise that virtually all their papers have a slightly creamish tint. On the other hand, I think Ilford publish a profile for almost every proper photo-printer for each suitable paper, which compensates for this, so it is not a problem. Wilson Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gtownby Posted December 25, 2007 Share #10 Posted December 25, 2007 Dan -- Can you do us a favor? Please print something with a big solid black area and then check for "track marks" under bright lighting (all angles). I recently bought a box of Hahnemuhle FineArt Pearl 285 and though the blacks are far superior than my usual Epson UltraSmooth, the track marks on the Pearl make my prints unsellable. (They are not visible from normal viewing angles, but even an odd angles, the track marks are just not acceptable.) Not sure if these are the dreaded "pizza wheels" -- they look more like the rubber rollers catching wet ink on the R2400. I have a box of Epson Exhibition Fiber coming -- hoping that it won't have the track marks because I really like this new generation of fiber stock. Needless to say, paper development these days is very exciting. Thanks for the post. Merry Christmas! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan States Posted December 25, 2007 Author Share #11 Posted December 25, 2007 I'm looking at a nearly all black print now in direct sunlight and I'm not getting tracks. I have seen what you describe from the r2400 on Ilford paper. I got this when I had the wrong finish setting dialed in. I am using the "Premium Luster" setting now for both the 320 weight Rag Pearl and Baryta. I have not tried the 285 weight papers. Have you changed any of the default settings for drying time in the "ink configuration" field? Also, make sure you are not using the high speed printing setting. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gtownby Posted December 25, 2007 Share #12 Posted December 25, 2007 Dan - Never have gone into ink configurations, so I'll check that next time around. Thanks for the detailed report -- very encouraging! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wlaidlaw Posted December 25, 2007 Share #13 Posted December 25, 2007 Dan -- Can you do us a favor? Please print something with a big solid black area and then check for "track marks" under bright lighting (all angles). I recently bought a box of Hahnemuhle FineArt Pearl 285 and though the blacks are far superior than my usual Epson UltraSmooth, the track marks on the Pearl make my prints unsellable. (They are not visible from normal viewing angles, but even an odd angles, the track marks are just not acceptable.) Not sure if these are the dreaded "pizza wheels" -- they look more like the rubber rollers catching wet ink on the R2400. I have a box of Epson Exhibition Fiber coming -- hoping that it won't have the track marks because I really like this new generation of fiber stock. Needless to say, paper development these days is very exciting. Thanks for the post. Merry Christmas! Gordon, I used to get track marks all the time with Kodak Ultima 275gsm semi-gloss on my Epson R1800. I was annoyed because in a closing down sale, I had bought 10 x 25 sheet A4 packs of it. Luckily the same paper works perfectly in my HP B9180 in France and now in the new Canon Pixma Pro 9500, I have bought for the UK. I spoke to Epson about this problem, who in their usual helpful manner said "Use Epson paper". I spoke to Kodak, who said that the liquid suspension medium on some pigment inks caused their paper to swell to the extent that it could contact the drive gears of the guide rollers on some printers (i.e. the Epson R series). I wonder if you are getting this same phenomenon on your R2400 with the Hahnemuhle paper. Wilson Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gtownby Posted December 26, 2007 Share #14 Posted December 26, 2007 Wilson -- Sounds very similar. I'm hoping that the Epson Exhibition Fiber will be free of the problem AND that I can figure out the profiles, settings, etc. for the other brands of paper coming out. Thanks, all. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
woodyspedden Posted December 26, 2007 Share #15 Posted December 26, 2007 No one has yet mentioned it but the Ilford is half the price of the Harman! Given that, as much as I like the Harman I am certainly going to try the Ilford as well (I use the Epson 3800 which should have similar results to the 2400 as they use the same ink sets) I agree that Michael has a new "best friend" every day but I thought this review was actually pretty well done. It is tough to test papers and personal preferences play such a large part in "which is best" I have been using both the Innova Fiba Print Gloss and the Hahnemuhle Fine Art Pearl and loved both papers. The Harman Gloss is "REALLY GLOSSY" but if you like that look, and with the much improved DMax it may work well for some images. Woody Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptomsu Posted December 26, 2007 Share #16 Posted December 26, 2007 I have the 2400 since 2 years and I never have used a worse printer - expensive operation due to small ink tanks and silly head cleaning procedures, bad mechanics and no support. Also drivers are quite immature all the time a next OS comes out. Sorry, but my next printer will be no more Epson! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wlaidlaw Posted December 26, 2007 Share #17 Posted December 26, 2007 I have the 2400 since 2 years and I never have used a worse printer - expensive operation due to small ink tanks and silly head cleaning procedures, bad mechanics and no support. Also drivers are quite immature all the time a next OS comes out. Sorry, but my next printer will be no more Epson! Peter, I felt just the same about the R1800. I had all your troubles, had expensive head replacements and endless troubles with the roll feed chewing up rolls of paper. I was pleased when it finally died and I finally had an excuse to replace it. For reasons set out in my comparison thread of HP B9180 v Canon Pixma Pro, I decided to buy the Canon rather than another HP B9180. So far so good. More difficult to get the colours right than the HP but when you get it right, it is a bit better. I understand the professional Epsons are a wholly different story but I just did not have the space for a 3800. Wilson Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ajz Posted December 27, 2007 Share #18 Posted December 27, 2007 The Baryta sounds like it is worth a try...all these papers really require some time and energy to see what is the max. Lately I have been using the Crane Museo Silver rag. Crane offers a profile to download which I did use. It was ok. I had a professional printmaker friend make me a profile from a tiff file he had created for his biz. I use an epson 4800 and the profile really made a difference even though I thought the orig Crane profile was close. I had tried Hahnemuhle about 18 months ago...have endeavored to stick with the Crane and the K3 inks. I found that I just can't print the same old images and see how the paper/ink/profile perform...each image seems to succeed with a bit of effort. It is as if different images just need different papers due to the unique range of contrasts, range of luminance, and ranges of pastels to variety of vibrant colors. z Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest malland Posted December 27, 2007 Share #19 Posted December 27, 2007 ..I am a great Ilford fan but you have to start from the premise that virtually all their papers have a slightly creamish tint. On the other hand, I think Ilford publish a profile for almost every proper photo-printer for each suitable paper, which compensates for this, so it is not a problem...If the tonal range on your prints go to paper white, or anywhere near that, no profile is going to compensate for a cream-tinted paper. —Mitch/Bangkok Flickr: Photos from Mitch Alland Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
j. borger Posted December 27, 2007 Share #20 Posted December 27, 2007 I used Hahnemuhle Fineart Pearl as my main paper with the R2400 since it hitted the market and loved it from day 1..... but since i tried the Harman Gloss i am addicted to that paper .............. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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