Containers films Leitz.

[dubois pierre]

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Hello everyone, I am looking for the marketing dates of the containers for the film cassettes Leitz "Filca". One in leather the other in aluminium.

Thank you.

Pierre 

 

 

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[PG Black nickel]

I don't think it's leather, I think it's cardboard with a special coating that you find on old lens boxes, for example. In my opinion, they are mostly found in the oldest cases (etrin) up to 1929. After that, it was quite possible to replace the old cardboard tube in an old case with an aluminum tube deemed more solid... so it's hard to date 

[willeica]

As you know, Pierre, the dates and progression of Leitz/Leica accessories are more difficult to trace than those of the cameras. I always associate the  cardboard tube with the ETRIN case as it came with them and the case has a vertical 'pocket' to contain the tube. Lacey dated the ETRIN as starting from 1927, but I have seen an advertisement from December 1925 (Die Linse) which seems to show an early form of the ETRIN Case. I have seen many variations of this case with different clasps, engravings and ribbed and plain leather. This photo shows an Anastigmat I Model A (1925) with an early ribbed form of the ETRIN which also has the cardboard tube.

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I have a cardboard tube which came with a 1929 set  (strap lugs were an option with that) which is seen on the right below. The tube fits in the pocket of the ETRIN case shown at bottom right. The entirely brassed 1926 camera on the left came with another early form for the ETRIN with a different clasp. It too has a smaller vertical 'pocket' which is too small to hold the cardboard tube, so it must have contained something different.

 

I am inclined to agree, however, that the cardboard tube, used at least until 1929, came first and the metal tube came later. I have quite a few metal containers, but none of them are double-sided like the one which you show. In fact, I have never seen an example of the double-sided metal container. 

Sorry that I cannot be conclusive, but I hope this information is of some assistance. 

William 

[dubois pierre]

Thanks Philippe, so the aluminum containers or cases would have been available from 1930/1931?

[dubois pierre]

William, your case on the right is the same as the Ia Leanekalb. With a bracket in the flap for a rangefinder. The main case reserved for the Leica and on the right a vertical compartment reserved I think for a container for films. 

In your opinion because I see that it is associated with a Leica Ia. When was this case marketed.

 

Edited July 4, 2024 by dubois pierre

[PG Black nickel]

The containers, whether aluminum or cardboard, were designed for etrin cases only, as they are the only ones with a slot for this type of tube. The etrin was the case for Leica I a, b, c and e...so it's conceivable that until the 33/34s, cases and containers were available for these cases....but with Leica, it's also conceivable that they continued to make these double containers even after production of the Leica 1 stopped….

[dubois pierre]

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Ok, after some research the "Etrin" case was also intended for Leicas Ia, with a "Fodis" rangefinder and a double container (cardboard or aluminum) for "Filca" film cassettes. 

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[jerzy]

vor 3 Stunden schrieb willeica:

I have never seen an example of the double-sided metal container

like the single container as well doble one has black velvet inside. Metal is aluminium, anodized or painted. Agfa casette that I have  came with single container but it is bare metal neither anodized nor painted and without velvet inside (Agfa casette has a "nose", container opening with velvet would be too small.

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[willeica]

2 hours ago, dubois pierre said:

William, your case on the right is the same as the Ia Leanekalb. With a bracket in the flap for a rangefinder. The main case reserved for the Leica and on the right a vertical compartment reserved I think for a container for films. 

In your opinion because I see that it is associated with a Leica Ia. When was this case marketed.

 

1928 or 1929. These were available as a set called LESSA. With this set you could get strap loops, which are noticeably lower than for later cameras with strap loops. When I got the tube it contained a FILCA A and a FILCA B.

You are correct about the internal layout of the case. 

William 

[dubois pierre]

I'm going to be picky but since all Leica equipment had an identification code, then what Leitz code was attached to this famous container for the Filcas?😉

[dubois pierre]

I found the DRXOO code for the "Filcas" aluminum double cassette container. The problem is that it is noted 1952 for the manufacturing date!!!. Would there have been earlier models with a different code?

[willeica]

46 minutes ago, dubois pierre said:

I found the DRXOO code for the "Filcas" aluminum double cassette container. The problem is that it is noted 1952 for the manufacturing date!!!. Would there have been earlier models with a different code?

Yes the DRXOO is from 1952 and the IXMOO is from 1955. I have looked through various catalogues from the 1930s, but I cannot find either single or double containers for FILCAs. There are some notes which indicate that various small containers existed, but there is no list of code words for them. Perhaps there was a separate dealer list for such items. Perhaps also, FILCAs, which were ordered separately, came in an aluminium can. 

I believe the cardboard double container item came with the ETRIN case, hence there would be no code word for it. 

William 

[dubois pierre]

5 minutes ago, willeica said:

I believe the double cardboard container came with the ETRIN case, so there would be no code word for that. 

William 

Thank you William so to be consistent with the "Etrin" case of the Leica Ia Leanekalb it is indeed a double cardboard container that I need. And a "Fodis" rangefinder as you had presented it in your previous photo. That's the case closed and I didn't want to make a mistake.

I have already found the cardboard container with its 2 reels of film.

 Thank you all,

[beoon]

Hello Pierre,

Please find attached Brochure 2092 May 1925 Ogilvy & Co (this copy is a reprint from 1974).

The case is not detailed as Etrin but its description would indicate it is an Etrin and probably with the cardboard tube for 2 x Filcas

Regards

Alan

 

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[PG Black nickel]

I've just noticed that cardboard containers can be different!

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[willeica]

6 hours ago, PG Black nickel said:

I've just noticed that cardboard containers can be different!

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Just like the ETRINs which show considerable variety. Which gives rise to another question. Early Leica leather cases vary so much from one example to another, that it begs the question as to whether the makers were in-house or out-of-house. I believe I have heard that leather craftsmen were employed in-house and they used whatever materials were available and had considerable license as regards design and style. The cardboard tubes were probably made by the same people. 

Any thoughts or documentation about this? 

William 

[dubois pierre]

Here is an extract from the Leitz catalog from 1930/1931 with details of the equipment if purchased with the Etrin case.

Pierre

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[willeica]

3 hours ago, dubois pierre said:

Here is an extract from the Leitz catalog from 1930/1931 with details of the equipment if purchased with the Etrin case.

Pierre

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My set is a more or less complete one with the camera (with strap lugs) , ETRIN with cardboard tube, two FILCAs (I presume that there was originally a third one in the camera) and a FODIS rangefinder. I believe that this was sold around 1928/9 as a complete set and the strap lugs came with this set as an option. We had a thread here about the lugs, but I can't find it. The search function on this forum, which used to be quite good, is now pretty useless. It does not seem to be able to distinguish between strap lugs on a I Model A and those on a Q or SL even if I type in I Model A 😒

William 

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[dubois pierre]

21 hours ago, willeica said:

My set is a more or less complete one with the camera (with strap lugs) , ETRIN with cardboard tube, two FILCAs (I presume that there was originally a third one in the camera) and a FODIS rangefinder. I believe that this was sold around 1928/9 as a complete set and the strap lugs came with this set as an option. We had a thread here about the lugs, but I can't find it. The search function on this forum, which used to be quite good, is now pretty useless. It does not seem to be able to distinguish between strap lugs on a I Model A and those on a Q or SL even if I type in I Model A 😒

William 

Hello William, I think you are referring to the September 2017 article on the "Etrin" case. What is interesting is the presence of a "Wintu" angle viewfinder in the "Etrin" case. For the "Filca" film cassettes, one in the camera and the other 2 in the cardboard container, so a total of 3.   

Pierre