Le Chef Posted June 13, 2024 Share #21 Posted June 13, 2024 Advertisement (gone after registration) As said elsewhere an S9 converted to Leica’s spec with EVF, Hotshoe, UI, etc. might work. Depending on the sensor Leica would want to keep it from cannibalizing SL3 sales. So think Porsche Boxster and Porsche 911 as the model. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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jaapv Posted June 13, 2024 Share #22 Posted June 13, 2024 Why? Leica does not care which model camera they sell, as long as they sell. The whole point of their lineup is to appeal to a wide range of photographers. The S line in general is a competitor to the SL cameras. Quite likely the SL3S will be a smaller camera, possibly a Leicafied S5iiX. The S6 is not made for photographers, so of little interest to Leica. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dsalamena Posted June 13, 2024 Share #23 Posted June 13, 2024 (edited) I believe if Leica wanted they could start selling a smaller and compact SL camera tomorrow. Technology is ready (ie Sony, Nikon, Panasonic full frame cameras are almost all smaller than the SL). I also believe they will commercialize the compact L-mount camera only when they have sold a good amount of SL3 (so not before 2025, being optimistic). Edited June 13, 2024 by dsalamena Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CalStanford Posted June 14, 2024 Share #24 Posted June 14, 2024 The S9 is more Sigma fp than anything Leica. And the fp is almost five years old. That's where Panasonic really is. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Le Chef Posted June 14, 2024 Share #25 Posted June 14, 2024 6 hours ago, jaapv said: Leica does not care which model camera they sell, as long as they sell. But from their pricing they clearly choose margin over volume, so cannibalization by a cheaper model is an issue. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted June 14, 2024 Share #26 Posted June 14, 2024 That is not necessarily true. The cheaper model may well have a higher margin. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LocalHero1953 Posted June 14, 2024 Share #27 Posted June 14, 2024 Advertisement (gone after registration) 13 hours ago, jaapv said: Luckily for you everybody's dream camera is a composite of a number of cameras and they will buy them all. 🤩 Everybody's dream camera is always the next model to come from their favoured brand. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted June 14, 2024 Share #28 Posted June 14, 2024 But only if the brand implements a few dozen conflicting and technically impossible development wishes from forum threads. 1 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simone_DF Posted June 15, 2024 Share #29 Posted June 15, 2024 Technology has been available for a few years now. Here's some comparison between a Q2 and a A7C with the Sigma 50mm F2 or the Sony 50mm F2.5. The Sony is shorter and a bit less wide, but thicker. It also has the small grip, which I strongly prefer to the flatness of the Q and S9. Now if only Leica could integrate an EVF and a mechanical shutter in a S9, that would make many people happy, by looking at the success of the S9 Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! 3 1 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/395912-panasonic-s9-a-harbinger-of-things-to-come-at-leica/?do=findComment&comment=5349167'>More sharing options...
dsalamena Posted June 15, 2024 Share #30 Posted June 15, 2024 Hopefully Leica or Panasonic will listen and produce a compact L mount camera with EvF. I don’t think it’s such a crazy idea as people in this forum seem to think… but I may be wrong. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Le Chef Posted June 15, 2024 Share #31 Posted June 15, 2024 If you can show the return on investment to cover development and production costs, and show an increase in Leica’s overall profitability then I’m sure they would love to hear how you could accomplish that. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simone_DF Posted June 15, 2024 Share #32 Posted June 15, 2024 17 minutes ago, Le Chef said: If you can show the return on investment to cover development and production costs, and show an increase in Leica’s overall profitability then I’m sure they would love to hear how you could accomplish that. Oh I couldn’t be bothered. As written above, I’m just going to get a S9 and goodbye Leica. Should Leica come up with a similar body, I may be interested into switching, otherwise S9 it is, or S5II, still undecided. Definitely no Q with 28mm lens or SL3 with that sensor. I’m brand agnostic, and not part of a cult. The beauty of L mount is that it’s easy to switch brand and keep using the same lenses. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobtodrick Posted June 15, 2024 Share #33 Posted June 15, 2024 26 minutes ago, Simone_DF said: Oh I couldn’t be bothered. As written above, I’m just going to get a S9 and goodbye Leica. Should Leica come up with a similar body, I may be interested into switching, otherwise S9 it is, or S5II, still undecided. Definitely no Q with 28mm lens or SL3 with that sensor. I’m brand agnostic, and not part of a cult. The beauty of L mount is that it’s easy to switch brand and keep using the same lenses. Great…frees up some cameras for those who appreciate them for what they are. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobtodrick Posted June 15, 2024 Share #34 Posted June 15, 2024 49 minutes ago, Le Chef said: If you can show the return on investment to cover development and production costs, and show an increase in Leica’s overall profitability then I’m sure they would love to hear how you could accomplish that. Yes…some people here really need to take a few business courses. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
darylgo Posted June 15, 2024 Share #35 Posted June 15, 2024 15 minutes ago, bobtodrick said: Great…frees up some cameras for those who appreciate them for what they are. What about "never sell a Leica"? It's true, we love Leica for what they are (M specifically) and I admit being frustrated by the lack of innovation with smallish cameras from Leica, they attempted it with the CL but it died with one body. The SL is a beast, the Q is limited to one lens. Yet, Leica is stronger than ever with great sales. Greater companies have been lulled into complacency with success, Kodak's reaction to the Nikon D1 priced substantially below their digital back modified cameras was "so what". I hope Leica doesn't fall prey to this. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BradS Posted June 15, 2024 Share #36 Posted June 15, 2024 (edited) 1 hour ago, dsalamena said: Hopefully Leica or Panasonic will listen and produce a compact L mount camera with EvF. I don’t think it’s such a crazy idea as people in this forum seem to think… but I may be wrong. It is definitely NOT a crazy idea. Sony have been doing it for a while (eg A7C, A6700, etc). Fuji have done it for a very long time X-T30ii, X-T50, etc). Edited June 15, 2024 by BradS 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Le Chef Posted June 15, 2024 Share #37 Posted June 15, 2024 2 hours ago, Simone_DF said: I’m just going to get a S9 and goodbye Leica. Thank you - much appreciated! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Le Chef Posted June 15, 2024 Share #38 Posted June 15, 2024 1 hour ago, BradS said: It is definitely NOT a crazy idea. As said before… If you can show the return on investment to cover development and production costs, and show an increase in Leica’s overall profitability then I’m sure they would love to hear how you could accomplish that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simone_DF Posted June 15, 2024 Share #39 Posted June 15, 2024 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Le Chef said: If you can show the return on investment to cover development and production costs, and show an increase in Leica’s overall profitability then I’m sure they would love to hear how you could accomplish that. I just called Andreas Kaufmann, he told me that he was busy during the weekend, but he'll send me all the paperwork by Monday morning to my desk. Edited June 15, 2024 by Simone_DF 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Le Chef Posted June 15, 2024 Share #40 Posted June 15, 2024 How quickly can you report back with the numbers? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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