Shutter count

[antonioxrosa]

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I had a m10 and now I have a m11m. When I sold the m10 I think I was able to confirm the shutter count with a file and my Mac, but I cannot remember how. Anyone can help? I want to do the same with de m11

[M Street Photographer]

With this : https://transienteye.com/software/

for Mac and M10, test the M11 and report plaese.

[antonioxrosa]

Thank you for the prompt answer. It was not the way I used in the past. I downloaded the app but it seems that the app's purpose is to connect with the camera something like the Leica app. It will show all file data or only the file number ?

[evikne]

1 hour ago, M Street Photographer said:

With this : https://transienteye.com/software/

for Mac and M10, test the M11 and report plaese.

Thanks a lot for the tip. At least it works great with my M10.

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Edited April 20, 2024 by evikne

[fenykepesz]

@evikne - how did you download that Apple program file you mentioned : "Download: Leica Sync 1.4.dmg (macOS disk image, 6.6MB download)" ?  i am trying to grab it as a file via my linux chrome web browser so i can run it on my wife's oldish macbook laptop but nothing happens as nothing gets downloaded ?

@Al Brown 's trick with the "Service Menu" is pretty cool though it will be difficult to visualize such on my screenless m10d !

in terms of total shutter count, my approach till now was that i used my own python fotomanager (fm) program which imports any pics & fotos and uses the DNG time stamp as unique identifier if available.  once imported, fm keeps all files either in a processed directory tree or in a trash directory.  last step for me was to write a quick bash script that goes through all my fm files, evaluates them and counts those that were imported as Leica M10-D DNG files.  that's it.  the number grows each day...

 

[Anbaric]

3 hours ago, M Street Photographer said:

With this : https://transienteye.com/software/

for Mac and M10, test the M11 and report plaese.

This post suggests it doesn't work for shutter count (or 'Image Count') with the M11:

[Anbaric]

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4 minutes ago, fenykepesz said:

@evikne - how did you download that Apple program file you mentioned : "Download: Leica Sync 1.4.dmg (macOS disk image, 6.6MB download)" ?  i am trying to grab it as a file via my linux chrome web browser so i can run it on my wife's oldish macbook laptop but nothing happens as nothing gets downloaded ?

Try <right-click> on the link, then 'Save link as...' (or equivalent) from the popup menu.

[fenykepesz]

vor 35 Minuten schrieb Anbaric:

Try <right-click> on the link, then 'Save link as...' (or equivalent) from the popup menu.

thank you, @Anbaric, i tried that again, and now it forced-worked.  initially my browser's security settings stopped the download ("Insecure download blocked").  next step is to break my wife's macbook...

[Anbaric]

1 hour ago, fenykepesz said:

thank you, @Anbaric, i tried that again, and now it forced-worked.  initially my browser's security settings stopped the download ("Insecure download blocked").  next step is to break my wife's macbook...

Looks like a sensible security setting - I should probably change mine! Now I see the problem - the author isn't using an https link on the webpage, though the file is available via https. Direct link here for anyone having problems:

https://tsoniq.com/download/Leica Sync 1.4.dmg

Unfortunately it seems this isn't a solution for the M11 count.

[antonioxrosa]

4 hours ago, Al Brown said:

There is also a service menu on M10s but nobody seems to have gotten the access yet. The guy who knows did not want to tell me. Below is the snap from M10-P's service menu.

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that would be great... to  have access to the service menu...

 

[evikne]

I wish the shutter count could just show up in the EXIF so we could use it for a unique file renaming.

Edited April 20, 2024 by evikne

[fenykepesz]

vor 18 Stunden schrieb M Street Photographer:

With this : https://transienteye.com/software/

for Mac and M10, test the M11 and report plaese.

thank you for the tip - worked flawlessly - and much faster than my bash script solution...

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[jdlaing]

16 hours ago, fenykepesz said:

thank you for the tip - worked flawlessly - and much faster than my bash script solution...

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That’s an image count. Not a shutter count.

[fenykepesz]

vor 21 Minuten schrieb jdlaing:

That’s an image count. Not a shutter count.

what's the difference ?  that particular software - Leica Sync 1.4 - was privately coded by a scientist/hobby photographer.  so i assume he will have labeled that particular field as image count.  it's just a name.  furthermore, when i count pictures with my method (as described earlier) i arrive at : 23055.  i believe that's pretty close to 23522.  the difference is made up of pictures i through out via FOTOS or pictures i deleted manually from my database over the last 4 years.

[jdlaing]

47 minutes ago, fenykepesz said:

what's the difference ?  that particular software - Leica Sync 1.4 - was privately coded by a scientist/hobby photographer.  so i assume he will have labeled that particular field as image count.  it's just a name.  furthermore, when i count pictures with my method (as described earlier) i arrive at : 23055.  i believe that's pretty close to 23522.  the difference is made up of pictures i through out via FOTOS or pictures i deleted manually from my database over the last 4 years.

Two scenarios:

If you use electronic shutter there is no shutter count even though there is an image count as there is one image captured. 
If you go back to the M-240 when live view was activated the shutter was opened and closed even though there was no image captured.

When you turn the camera on or off is the shutter actuated?

[fenykepesz]

vor 8 Minuten schrieb jdlaing:

Two scenarios:

If you use electronic shutter there is no shutter count even though there is an image count as there is one image captured. 
If you go back to the M-240 when live view was activated the shutter was opened and closed even though there was no image captured.

oops, you are right, @jdlaing, these are indeed two different scenarios - while my m10d  plays only with one, and i believe, also that given software only works with the m10* cameras.  perhaps my m11d in the future...

[summarity]

The app linked above directly interfaces with the PTP (or PTP over IP in this case) protocol. The PTP profile for Leica cameras contains several undocumented registers, which are device properties. From reversing parts of the app, it seems like they have been able to identify the register code and layout for many proprietary fields, including:

LCDBrightness
UserProfile[N]Name
LensDetection
CustomiseWheel
CreateWLANNetworkPassword
JoinWLANNetworkName
EVFBrightness
DisplayExposureClipping
DisplayHistogram
JpgMonochromeOnOff
TotalCaptureCount

and many more. They are reading the TotalCaptureCount property, so it's likely the closest you'll get to a shutter count, though it does seem to imply all captures (no matter the shutter type). The latter should be easy to test with your own M10 by using exclusive shutter modes and seeing what happens to the counter.

For the M11 (I only have an M11D and M11M to test), these registers seem to have changed, and thus the app doesn't work on M11s. Capture count should be in the region of 0xd61b to 0xd65d somewhere. gphoto2's driver doesn't decode this either at this time, so this would require manual reverse engineering, in essence changing settings and scanning registers to see which values are flipping. Maybe a weekend project.

So conclusion is: no way to know if the TotalCaptureCount register still exists on M11, but no reason to suspect it doesn't. It's just not where it was on the M10s.

[aficionados]

On 4/20/2024 at 7:52 AM, Al Brown said:

There is also a service menu on M10s but nobody seems to have gotten the access yet. The guy who knows did not want to tell me. Below is the snap from M10-P's service menu.

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You saw this with your bare eyes from that guy’s camera LCD or he showed you a screenshot?

I don’t believe him

[jdlaing]

Believe him.

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[summarity]

The M11 firmware 2.1.3 definitely contains something that references a service mode:

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There's also mention of a "root" menu ("found! Maybe we are in ROOT-Menu." says one log message)

I also learned something new. Turns out, Leica Sync was made by the same person behind the vendor of the PTP SDK that was used in the same app. Someone into software development, photography, and synthesizer/DSP programming? Just to my liking . I've emailed them, maybe I can take a stab at updating the registers for the M11.

Edit

I can also find temperature sensing code and a UI label called "Temperatures", so I'm pretty sure that service menu still exists on the M11.

Edited December 8, 2024 by summarity