lambroving Posted August 25, 2006 Share #21 Posted August 25, 2006 Advertisement (gone after registration) William B, The fingerprint of the 35/1.4 is more like the fingerprint of the 28/2, very nice indeed, but the resolution is slightly less than the 35/2 although it seems to vignette less. Just too large for my use. BTW, for Bill, I imagine a 69mm crop is still a wide angle when his "normal" lens is a 180/2! Bill H.. Not EVERYONE wants an M8! Just hoping my local lab doesn't go out of business: doubtful, because he prints lots of P&S digital pix for the locals on Kodak Royal. Secret is the big Agfa processor which runs just fine on Kodak chemistry. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted August 25, 2006 Posted August 25, 2006 Hi lambroving, Take a look here noctilux or summicron?. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
stunsworth Posted August 25, 2006 Share #22 Posted August 25, 2006 Steve, he means photos like your series in Belgium - the bridges. Do you still have those up somewhere? If so, you should post the link. Hi Bill, do you mean this one - Bruges January 2003 - if so I have to say it was the light and the mist that was responsible as much as the len :-) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
billh Posted August 25, 2006 Share #23 Posted August 25, 2006 Hi Bill, do you mean this one - Bruges January 2003 - if so I have to say it was the light and the mist that was responsible as much as the len :-) Hi Steve, Those are some of them which illustrate the pretty look that lens gives. The photos I had in mind were black and while, early morning, and I believe they were taken in foggy conditions. This thread and the news of a new Canon 50 f1.2 prompted me to play with wide apertures yesterday, Took this yesterday on her 4th birthday, 85mm, ISO400, 1/4000th @ f1.2 http://homepage.mac.com/billh96007/.Pictures/85mm/Kona,f1.2,0429.jpg Here are the two Leica 50s we are discussing: Noctilux at f1.0, http://homepage.mac.com/billh96007/.Pictures/85mm/RD-1,-50Noct@f1.0,0008.jpg 50ASPH @f1.4, http://homepage.mac.com/billh96007/.Pictures/85mm/RD-1,-50ASPH@f1.4,0016.jpg New Canon 50 f1.2: http://www.dpreview.com/news/0608/06082415canon50f12lens.asp Shots with both 50 f1.2 and 85 f1.2 lenses: http://kamerabild.mkf.se/ArticlePages/200608/24/20060824132917_ADF830/20060824132917_ADF830.dbp.asp 50 / 1.2L MTF: http://cweb.canon.jp/ef/lineup/standard/ef50_f1.2l/index.html 85 / 1.2L II MTF: http://cweb.canon.jp/ef/lineup/standard/ef85_f12lii/index.html 50/ 1.0L MTF: http://www.usa.canon.com/html/eflenses/lenses/ef_50_1/ef_50_1mtf.html another one from yesterday at f1.2, http://homepage.mac.com/billh96007/.Pictures/85mm/Kona,f1.2,-0413.jpg (on the Tif you can see very clearly defined individual hairs) up from the depths at f2.8 - background is still very nice, http://homepage.mac.com/billh96007/.Pictures/85mm/Kona,-Loch-Ness-Bouv-6358.jpg Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
billh Posted August 25, 2006 Share #24 Posted August 25, 2006 William B, The fingerprint of the 35/1.4 is more like the fingerprint of the 28/2, very nice indeed, but the resolution is slightly less than the 35/2 although it seems to vignette less. Just too large for my use. BTW, for Bill, I imagine a 69mm crop is still a wide angle when his "normal" lens is a 180/2! Bill H.. Not EVERYONE wants an M8! Just hoping my local lab doesn't go out of business: doubtful, because he prints lots of P&S digital pix for the locals on Kodak Royal. Secret is the big Agfa processor which runs just fine on Kodak chemistry. Hi William, I have a feeling you may win this one - I may have to get the 28 Summicron before you give up and go for an M8. I recently had a chance to buy an Imacon 949 for a really good price and passed it by - digital is just so fast, good and versatile I knew I would not use it. I have not used the big lens for a good while now, but the other day I noticed the time of year has arrived where the late afternoon light is beginning to have that beautiful warm, soft quality that comes in the autumn. Of course this means it is getting dark earlier, and winter is looming, and I am decidedly NOT looking forward to that! I would have assumed the 28 Summicron had a more typically Summicron look - a creamy out of focus area, while the 35 f1.4 ASPH would not be quite as smooth - but they are very similar? It will be interesting to see if the entire M8 viewfinder area approximates the view of the 21 ASPH lens. If so I may simply use it for a bit and see if I really want the 28. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
billh Posted August 25, 2006 Share #25 Posted August 25, 2006 Bill, I'm very interested in this particular remark of yours, since I'm debating the purchase of the 35mm ASPH 'lux (I already have the ASPH 'cron). What would you say are the differences between the 35 and 50 ASPH 'luxes (FL apart, obviously!!) - especially in terms of tonality? Thanks. Hi K.P. I’m sorry, but I don’t remember the difference, if any, in the tonally between the two lenses. I would not be surprised if the 50 gave you more color differential - the lure for me was the incredible micro detail (for want of a better description), the individual hairs, the striking clarity of the tiniest vessel in the whites of the eye, the etched look of texture detail. Exactly this difference relegated the 90 Summicron to the shelf too. Obviously there are times when a 35 will work and a 50 is just too long - this likely will be the case more frequently with the M8 - but these two new lenses are just so sharp they captivate me. That said, there are many times the dreamy look you can obtain from other Leica lenses may be preferable (LCT comes to mind....) Unfortunately a lot of the fine detail is missing in this jpeg, but you do get a hint of what is available (APO 75), http://homepage.mac.com/billh96007/.Pictures/APO75f2.0/28A,-APO90f2.0@f5.6.jpg The 180 Summicron that William covets has both the fine detail and the incredibly beautiful look: Leica 18o Summicron. Crop from 50 x 75 inch (127 x 191 CM) enlargement http://homepage.mac.com/billh96007/.Pictures/180-300/Jag%2C180%40f2.8.jpg http://homepage.mac.com/billh96007/.Pictures/180-300/180,Kyle,Soccer%231,5619lg.jpg http://homepage.mac.com/billh96007/.Pictures/180-300/Duck,3416B.jpg Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lambroving Posted August 25, 2006 Share #26 Posted August 25, 2006 Hello Bill, Short answers because I have to run to work! It is my impression that the corrections in the 35/1.4 must be similar to those in the 28/2 because they both have a similar "soft touch" with the light in low light situations and the 35/2 does not. I assumed this from examples I'd seen. Ron and I discussed this in England too, and my impression would also appear to be the consensus from the German Forum members. I'll try to post some examples on Sunday nd will send you a mail when I do. As for the M8, I'd expect you'll get a 21 cropped AOV (28mm) in the viewfinder and probably a bit more..., but I've never been able to view the entire viewfinder in a Leica at the same time anyway! Must be a "personal problem"?! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
billh Posted August 25, 2006 Share #27 Posted August 25, 2006 Advertisement (gone after registration) "The new 50 F1.4 ASPH is so good it is difficult not to choose it over the Noctilux. In fact I find enough difference between it and the 35 f1.4 ASPH, that I rarely use that lens anymore." I find this statement interesting, and at odds with it since the view angle is different. Bill, can you expand on it? I simply mean, for me, the etched quality of the very fine detail is such that if possible, I will usually choose it over the 35 f1.4 ASPH, which is similar in other regards. The Noctilux is a different story. It has a very special look which can be used to great effect - that is not always as easy as one may think - at least for me. I have to pre visualize what I want before I make the exposure. For me this is a more specialized lens, while the 50 ASPH is the one I would usually choose in that focal length range. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wbesz Posted August 25, 2006 Share #28 Posted August 25, 2006 "The fingerprint of the 35/1.4 is more like the fingerprint of the 28/2, very nice indeed, but the resolution is slightly less than the 35/2 although it seems to vignette less. Just too large for my use." Thanks for reporting on this one William L., I have a softness for large aperture lenses, and although am happy with my glued-on 35/f2.0 asph for now, I am thinking the f1.4 asph version would increase usefulness as a one-lens camera package for travel. The 50 angle is very different, and I am still getting used to it, but as Bill H said, you use it for what the f1.4 asph version can do so well that is so special. You need to have one for the experience. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wizard Posted August 25, 2006 Share #29 Posted August 25, 2006 Bill, the M8 viewfinder will show 24, 28, 35, 50, 75 and 90mm framelines, which means it is quite possible that the entire field of view will at least approximately equal 21mm. Best, Andy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wbesz Posted August 25, 2006 Share #30 Posted August 25, 2006 Bill, thanks for you answer, although you haven't clearly explained why you would choose the 50 angle over the 35 angle, unless you are saying that the image is so good from the 50/1.4 asph, that you are willing to sacrifice the 35 angle just so you can use this 50? That I can understand, but it really implies that the 35/1.4 asph is somewhat lacking in image quality compared to the 50? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wbesz Posted August 25, 2006 Share #31 Posted August 25, 2006 You have some very nice images using short DOF there Bill! Cheers, William Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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