Frame size change moves me to default profile!

[Toby24]

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In my Q3 I have set two user profiles - essentially a Vivid -1 saturation and a Mono HC.

When using them, if I change from the 60mp frame to 36mp (i.e 28mm to 35mm equivalent frame), it also moves the camera from any user profile I'm in back to the default one.  So every time I want to re-frame, I have to change all the other values = lose the shot.

This seems counter-intuitive. I want all of the user profile parameters to remain, but be able to change the frame size (without having to set up profiles just for frame size).

Am I missing something? 

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[Guest]

if you have a profile selected you can see this by looking at the portrait icon in the first menu page and it will show the profile number inside a circle on the lower right of the icon.

If the default profile is selected it will show an 's' in the icon.

If you make any changes after a user profile or the default profile is selected the portrait icon will no longer show the 's' or the profile number. The camera is indicating that the settings no longer correspond to a known profile.

What does the icon look like after you make your change? You are implying that it is showing the 's', is that correct?

Edited March 29, 2024 by Corius
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[Le Chef]

I set up a "Street" profile which crops to 35mm. If I change the crop then it will still use that profile's settings with the exception that the new crop remains active until I either save it to the existing profile, or I shut the camera off and that change is lost. When I restart the camera I click on the profile icon and chose whichever one I want e.g. "Street" and off I go again.

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1 minute ago, Le Chef said:

.... with the exception that the new crop remains active until I either save it to the existing profile, or I shut the camera off and that change is lost. .....

I don't follow this. The new crop it will still be active if you save to the existing profile. Otherwise, what would be the point of saving it?

Also, If you shutdown the camera and then restart the crop will still be active. The camera does not reset to the previously set profile. It just restarts as it was before (with the exception of self-timer mode as discussed in a recent thread)

[Le Chef]

35 minutes ago, Corius said:

The new crop it will still be active if you save to the existing profile.

This we agree on. The important word is IF. 

If you have shut the camera down with the new crop active, it will open up with that crop. But the new crop has not been saved to a profile. When you move to another profile then that crop will be forgotten. When you return to the originally used profile the new crop will not be active: it will have reverted to the previous crop.

Edited March 29, 2024 by Le Chef

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7 minutes ago, Le Chef said:

This we agree on. The important word is IF. 

If you have shut the camera down with the new crop active, it will open up with that crop. But the new crop has not been saved to a profile. When you move to another profile then that crop will be forgotten. When you return to the originally used profile the new crop will not be active: it will have reverted to the previous crop.

We can both agree on that. 

The way profiles work is really quite simple, but it seems that people have great problems with them. Reading the manual and playing about with them for a while would stop an awful lot of the questions that we get!

[Le Chef]

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If you understand from simple office software how to "save" and "save as" when it comes to using templates it all makes sense.

[Aram Langhans]

16 hours ago, Toby24 said:

In my Q3 I have set two user profiles - essentially a Vivid -1 saturation and a Mono HC.

When using them, if I change from the 60mp frame to 36mp (i.e 28mm to 35mm equivalent frame), it also moves the camera from any user profile I'm in back to the default one.  So every time I want to re-frame, I have to change all the other values = lose the shot.

This seems counter-intuitive. I want all of the user profile parameters to remain, but be able to change the frame size (without having to set up profiles just for frame size).

Am I missing something? 

After reading your post and the other posts I fail to see what the problem is.  I just tried a few things on my Q3.  I have a few profiles, so I chose one.  The I changed one of the parameters and of course it showed I was no longer using my profile.  It shows as the first profile on the list with the X by the person.  But all the other parameters remained just like they were in my original profile.  This makes sense to me as by changing one or more parameters it does not match my profile.  I then changed the parameter back to the original value and it now shows I am using my originally chosen profile, just as I would expect.  To be specific, my profile is called "Basic".  When I changed the frame to medium DNG, it now showed I was no longer in my profile and was showing the person with the X.  I turned it off and on and it was the same.  All the other parameters of my "Basic" profile were intact.  Only the medium DNG was different.  So, then I changed the DNG size back to Large and the camera now said i was using my "Basic" profile again.  This is just as I would expect it to work.  I think you are getting exactly what you want.  You can change your file size back and forth and forth and back and all the other parameters will remain the same.  If you change a bunch of things as you are shooting, that is when you can go back to the profile selector and choose your standard profile to quickly get back to what you want without having to remember all the changes you made and go change them back.  Works like a champ for me and exactly as I expect. I guess if you want to have a different profile for each file size you could do that, but it is just as fast to just change that one parameter in the quick menu as it would be to choose a new profile.   Maybe I am missing something with this thread but I do not see this as a problem, but a unique and ingenious solution.

I wish there were a way to do this on my Nikon Z7ii.  In my mind Leica did this beautifully and I would expect other manufacturers to imitate this.

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4 hours ago, Aram Langhans said:

...  It shows as the first profile on the list with the X by the person.  ....

The icon with an X by the person is just the "cancel" button. It's not a profile.

Here's how it works...

1) When you look at the first menu (the "Status Screen") you see a portrait icon that shows what profile is currently selected, it will be marked with either: (a) an 's' - the default, or standard, profile, or (b) a number representing a user defined profile,  or (c) nothing, which means the current settings don't correspond to the default or any user profile.

2) When you press on the portrait icon it takes you to a sub-menu that starts with an icon with an 'X'. This is just the cancel button to get you out of the menu if you don't want to select a new profile. The other icons are to select the default profile or one of the user programmed profiles. This sub-menu doesn't tell you what your current profile is, it only lets you select a profile.

3) The cancel button is to get you out of the menu without having to select a new profile, although it's just as easy to half press the shutter button.

 

[David Wien]

12 minutes ago, Corius said:

The icon with an X by the person is just the "cancel" button. It's not a profile.

Here's how it works...

1) When you look at the first menu (the "Status Screen") you see a portrait icon that shows what profile is currently selected, it will be marked with either: (a) an 's' - the default, or standard, profile, or (b) a number representing a user defined profile,  or (c) nothing, which means the current settings don't correspond to the default or any user profile.

2) When you press on the portrait icon it takes you to a sub-menu that starts with an icon with an 'X'. This is just the cancel button to get you out of the menu if you don't want to select a new profile. The other icons are to select the default profile or one of the user programmed profiles. This sub-menu doesn't tell you what your current profile is, it only lets you select a profile.

3) The cancel button is to get you out of the menu without having to select a new profile, although it's just as easy to half press the shutter button.

 

Thank you! I have wondered what the X profile was. The fact that it is only for the purpose of dismissing the sub-menu is not mentioned in the User Manual -- at least, I heavent been able to find it...

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2 minutes ago, David Wien said:

Thank you! I have wondered what the X profile was. The fact that it is only for the purpose of dismissing the sub-menu is not mentioned in the User Manual -- at least, I heavent been able to find it...

There's a lot not mentioned in the manual  The 'X' is really confusing but I guess Leica just wanted to reuse the portrait icon rather than have a "cancel" button! The whole profile management is pretty clunky, it's not even very obvious how to save profiles, people really need to read the user guide (ha-ha!) or have a good play with it.

[David Wien]

3 hours ago, Corius said:

There's a lot not mentioned in the manual  The 'X' is really confusing but I guess Leica just wanted to reuse the portrait icon rather than have a "cancel" button! The whole profile management is pretty clunky, it's not even very obvious how to save profiles, people really need to read the user guide (ha-ha!) or have a good play with it.

One can exit the profile submenu by hitting "Menu" or half pressing the shutter button!

Concerning what is omitted from the manual, those on Youtube who claim to explain how to customise the Q3 in an hour are never aware of what those who have RTFM still want to know!

Edited March 30, 2024 by David Wien