Q3 vs. Q2 image rendering

[Miltz]

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I’m not sure what you mean by “gentle” when it comes to rendering. I will say that I had  both cameras and the Q3 is superior in every way sensor wise. I actually didn’t like the Q2 sensor at all. Also everyone is saying that the M11 and Q3 sensor is the same. It is not. The M11 sensor doesn’t have PDAF sites on it which gives even better image quality. The sensors are not the same. They are probably custom variants of the same silicon. One thing to note is if you like more magenta or green tint to your images. Q was very green, q2 has a green bias, and the Q3 has a magenta bias. 

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[Miltz]

I’m not sure what you mean by “gentle” when it comes to rendering. I will say that I had  both cameras and the Q3 is superior in every way sensor wise. I actually didn’t like the Q2 sensor at all. Also everyone is saying that the M11 and Q3 sensor is the same. It is not. The M11 sensor doesn’t have PDAF sites on it which gives even better image quality. The sensors are not the same. They are probably custom variants of the same silicon. One thing to note is if you like more magenta or green tint to your images. Q was very green, q2 has a green bias, and the Q3 has a magenta bias. 

[David Wien]

9 minutes ago, Miltz said:

I’m not sure what you mean by “gentle” when it comes to rendering. I will say that I had  both cameras and the Q3 is superior in every way sensor wise. I actually didn’t like the Q2 sensor at all. Also everyone is saying that the M11 and Q3 sensor is the same. It is not. The M11 sensor doesn’t have PDAF sites on it which gives even better image quality. The sensors are not the same. They are probably custom variants of the same silicon. One thing to note is if you like more magenta or green tint to your images. Q was very green, q2 has a green bias, and the Q3 has a magenta bias. 

Are you describing jpeg or raw files?

David

[Miltz]

43 minutes ago, David Wien said:

Are you describing jpeg or raw files?

David

Raw 

[David Wien]

27 minutes ago, Miltz said:

Raw 

Hmmm. Whereas jpegs are presumably the interpretation of the manufacturer of what the lens sees, raw files, being solely the numerical output of the sensor which needs compilation to produce a coloured image, seem to provide different results according to which converter one uses, and are therefore less fixed and certainly not objective images. If I understand the processes correctly, this is strange because the raw files have been less manipulated by the camera than the jpegs, even though the process of creating a jpeg in camera presumably uses a fixed and defined algorithm.

David

[Miltz]

37 minutes ago, David Wien said:

Hmmm. Whereas jpegs are presumably the interpretation of the manufacturer of what the lens sees, raw files, being solely the numerical output of the sensor which needs compilation to produce a coloured image, seem to provide different results according to which converter one uses, and are therefore less fixed and certainly not objective images. If I understand the processes correctly, this is strange because the raw files have been less manipulated by the camera than the jpegs, even though the process of creating a jpeg in camera presumably uses a fixed and defined algorithm.

David

This is not the case. The Nikon Z6 vs Z6 II have different skin tones in raw with the exact same settings. I prefer the Z6 II. So it’s not just Leica. Every sensor and tuning of the sensor by the company changes raw output. In the case in the Nikon Z6 and Z6 II they have the exact same sensor, yet different raw output.

[Qwertynm]

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I believe it's even more complicated than that. You can select profiles in Lightroom that change the same image (raw) to different output colors. So the sensor in the M11, SL3, Q3 might be the same waver, but the micro lenses on top, cover glass or whatever may be different, and the interpretation of the camera of the light itself and then the profiles applied in the raw converter all play into how the final image looks like.

[David Wien]

I have compared standard raw renderings of Q3 photos using Photoshop, Darktable and Photolab 6. They have all matched the OOC jpegs as far as I can tell, with the exception of PL6, which over-emphasizes reds. DXO have agreed to review their algorithm. As far as a magenta cast is concerned, I have not noticed this. But I have no experience of other Q models.

David

[radialMelt]

2 hours ago, David Wien said:

I have compared standard raw renderings of Q3 photos using Photoshop, Darktable and Photolab 6. They have all matched the OOC jpegs as far as I can tell, with the exception of PL6, which over-emphasizes reds. DXO have agreed to review their algorithm. As far as a magenta cast is concerned, I have not noticed this. But I have no experience of other Q models.

David

Interesting, I am having difficulties with this. I find that the default rendering of the Q3 raws in LR to be significantly different from the JPG rendering in camera. I need to eliminate the possibility of the LCD screen influencing the look. But beyond that, it seems like the raws that I import into LR are very different from the JPGs, even using the "embedded" profile. 

[David Wien]

2 minutes ago, radialMelt said:

Interesting, I am having difficulties with this. I find that the default rendering of the Q3 raws in LR to be significantly different from the JPG rendering in camera. I need to eliminate the possibility of the LCD screen influencing the look. But beyond that, it seems like the raws that I import into LR are very different from the JPGs, even using the "embedded" profile. 

I dont have LR. I am making all my comparisons on the same screen. I may not be as sensitive to colour hues as you are. 😀

David

[mark r.]

i switched/traded Q2M to Q2 and both are fine cameras.  So was my Q before sold it. The resolution allows Photoshop to easily work with these raw files to pinpoint work and tones for me.

Edited September 16, 2024 by mark r.