PG Black nickel Posted December 28, 2023 Share #1 Posted December 28, 2023 Advertisement (gone after registration) Hello everyone, During a sale in Germany I won to my great surprise the auction on a Leica motor mooly with a very small serial number. Either none of the Leica collectors had seen this sale, or they hadn't seen the description properly, or they had a doubt? This mooly has now arrived, it works perfectly at 2 speeds and is in very good condition. It is number 152. At the last Leitz sale, a Mooly 165 was on sale, and it was presented as a pre-series corner, although you didn't see many of these corners. So if the 165 is a pre-series motor mooly, so is the 152, since it's older! These corners are also barely visible on the 152, and the number is not preceded by N°. After some research, I found that these corners are more or less visible on many pre-series models, the most noticeable being the N° 144 sold at Leitz a few years ago. On older models, such as N°111 or N°127, these corners are not clearly visible. Questions : Are these corners the result of a poor finish? From one copy to another they are more or less accentuated. But if they were the result of a defect, Leica would never have sold them! The number 144 is well preceded by "N°", the 152 not, one can think that Leica stopped this inscription between N°144 and 152 somebody did it see a mooly with a number higher than 144 and lower than 152? There are a lot of questions about these pre-series corners. and...a very happy festive season to you all! Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! 6 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/386453-leica-motor-mooly-pre-series-corners/?do=findComment&comment=4965625'>More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted December 28, 2023 Posted December 28, 2023 Hi PG Black nickel, Take a look here Leica-Motor MOOLY pre-series corners. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
alan mcfall Posted December 29, 2023 Share #2 Posted December 29, 2023 Here are a few early mooly's I have seen, from my data base. I didn't look for cornors or No markings, so probably no help. I'll add 152 and the 144 you show, to my info. Thanks 107 Die Leica, p39, V4, July 1938 111 Lager II p128 127 Rattey, 2 speed 134 140 VH 146 sold christies 2000 for $3740 150 VH p126 201 211 2 speed 213 2 speed 216 Lager II p 127 233 2 speed 237 260 263 2 speed 281 291 2 speed 296 2 speed 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pyrogallol Posted December 29, 2023 Share #3 Posted December 29, 2023 2949 for sale here https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/134867155186 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leicapasion Posted December 29, 2023 Share #4 Posted December 29, 2023 Alan, is there any MOOLY that loads more than 12 frames?. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giuliobigazzi Posted December 29, 2023 Share #5 Posted December 29, 2023 150 has the ‘no’ engraving, so if 152 is without, one could assume 151 was the first without the ‘no’? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
willeica Posted December 29, 2023 Share #6 Posted December 29, 2023 I have MOOLY No 726 (with 'Germany' engraved underneath the number) which has two speeds without the numbers and arrow markings and can be wound up to 12. However pushing the button to the left produces the higher speed. I have a recollection of hearing that when Leica found that the higher speed was unreliable, it removed the arrow and the numbers and put in some kind of restrictor to stop the higher speed from running. However, I think I also read that the restrictor could be removed and thus MOOLY items like mine exist. A photo of my item is below, but unfortunately the 7.3cm Hector lens obscures the number and you must also take my word that the drive has two speeds. The lock has 'open' and 'close' marked on either side of the mechanism. Export model with Germany marked? Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! 23 hours ago, PG Black nickel said: So if the 165 is a pre-series motor mooly, so is the 152, since it's older! We have all learnt not to rely totally on serial numbers as an indicator of actual manufacturing and distribution sequence. Unfortunately, it is difficult to find records of the manufacturing and distribution sequence of accessories. My view about No 144 is that it was probably a prototype or test model of some kind, so 152 might have also been a test item or just a very early production model. a quick flick through the Wilhelm Albert diary does not revel any prototypes or test versions of the MOOLY. Lager surmises that items with the 'o' double underlined were pre-production test models and he mentions 113 in this context - see pages 58-61 of his Accessories book. William 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! We have all learnt not to rely totally on serial numbers as an indicator of actual manufacturing and distribution sequence. Unfortunately, it is difficult to find records of the manufacturing and distribution sequence of accessories. My view about No 144 is that it was probably a prototype or test model of some kind, so 152 might have also been a test item or just a very early production model. a quick flick through the Wilhelm Albert diary does not revel any prototypes or test versions of the MOOLY. Lager surmises that items with the 'o' double underlined were pre-production test models and he mentions 113 in this context - see pages 58-61 of his Accessories book. William ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/386453-leica-motor-mooly-pre-series-corners/?do=findComment&comment=4966511'>More sharing options...
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