SL2s colors

[lukatrajkovic]

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I use Leica SL2s and it really bothers me that the colors on preview (display and EVF as well) are very contrasty, with a lot of magenta and a bit warmer. The black are crushed.

On the Q2, the preview is also contrasty, but not to that extent. On the M10 colors was exacts same (very faithful reproduction). Leica Q1 as well. 

Lately I have been shooting only DNGs, because JPGs seems to have some odd color shift, although in the film style it is STD settings, without additional adjustments. Also the transitions between tones in some lighting conditions look very strange (only in JPG, but preview on display and EVF as well), with highlights shifted to green and the appearance of very strong magenta tones. An example is attached.

Does anyone have any advice?

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DNG without adjustments on left, JPG SOOC on right.

Edited November 12, 2023 by lukatrajkovic

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Perhaps the extra contrast and magenta has something to do with the choice of lens?

[lukatrajkovic]

10 hours ago, TwentyEighthParallel said:

Perhaps the extra contrast and magenta has something to do with the choice of lens?

It's same on every lens i've tried. Summilux 35 M, Summilux 50 M, 35APO SL. Only on 28/5.6 M it looked better, but that lens is softer and with more muted colors anyway. 

[hansvons]

16 hours ago, lukatrajkovic said:

Does anyone have any advice?

The EVF shows the selected JPEG setting. When you change the JPEG settings, you change the image look in the EVF. There's a section on how to modify JPEG settings in the manual. Reading the manual's  EVF and back screen section also makes it possible to fine-tune the EVF to your liking.

 

Edited November 13, 2023 by hansvons

[opera207]

A lot of magenta shift under low light when shooting JPG, expecially under warm led. For DNG you can pull the magenta back in LR.

I have used three SL2-s and they all have this issue. I have also asked about this, but it's strange that many people say it's normal, it's not normal at all. I have used many cameras,  none of them are like this.

Edited November 14, 2023 by opera207

[lukatrajkovic]

7 hours ago, opera207 said:

A lot of magenta shift under low light when shooting JPG, expecially under warm led. For DNG you can pull the magenta back in LR.

I have used three SL2-s and they all have this issue. I have also asked about this, but it's strange that many people say it's normal, it's not normal at all. I have used many cameras,  none of them are like this.

Exactly! Really strange under tungsten and LED lights. Never seen that on any other digital camera. Compared it to Q, Q2 and Hasselblad X1DII in same conditions, only SL2s have an issue. And I'm not finding a way to fix it in jpg preview on camera. 

[LocalHero1953]

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I guess my eyes are just not properly calibrated. This is just not something I see at all.

Is this with the SL2-S (what I have) or the SL2? The OP could mean either, depending on whether strict punctuation is employed. 

Edited November 15, 2023 by LocalHero1953

[hansvons]

13 hours ago, lukatrajkovic said:

Compared it to Q, Q2 and Hasselblad X1DII in same conditions, only SL2s have an issue.

Then, use these in such conditions. Easy fix if a magenta-ish EVF bothers you. My SL2-S may do that or don't. I don't care, as EVFs never represent the colours I will have later in post. If you want a viewfinder experience true to life, take an M. YMMV, of course. 

[lukatrajkovic]

On 11/15/2023 at 12:24 PM, hansvons said:

Then, use these in such conditions. Easy fix if a magenta-ish EVF bothers you. My SL2-S may do that or don't. I don't care, as EVFs never represent the colours I will have later in post. If you want a viewfinder experience true to life, take an M. YMMV, of course. 

It's not the point to use other camera, it's pretty much standard conditions. And it's not just the magenta shift, image is very contrasty and I just find it difficult to work on image when I have strange preview on monitor. Or maybe I'm just used to cinema cameras. 

[hansvons]

2 hours ago, lukatrajkovic said:

Or maybe I'm just used to cinema cameras. 

I've shot many TV commercials on Alexa and Red cameras. I can't say that the SL2-S EVF is much worse than Arri's or Red's EVFs; to the contrary, it's one of the best EVFs on the market. Something must be off on your side. Apologies if I sounded a bit rude.

Edited November 20, 2023 by hansvons

[LocalHero1953]

3 hours ago, lukatrajkovic said:

It's not the point to use other camera, it's pretty much standard conditions. And it's not just the magenta shift, image is very contrasty and I just find it difficult to work on image when I have strange preview on monitor. Or maybe I'm just used to cinema cameras. 

But you don't work on the image on the monitor - that's a jpg. You work on the raw (DNG).

[jaapv]

The image on the LCD is obviously JPG derived from raw so if you shootDNG+JOG you can apply the settings in the menu, for instance low contrast. 

[frame-it]

2 hours ago, jaapv said:

The image on the LCD is obviously JPG derived from raw so if you shooters DNG+JOG you can apply the settings in the menu, for instance low contrast. 

whats more serious than the colors on the LCD is the fact that many newer users simply don't want to try and use the forums "Search" menu, which is actually really good. 🤣

[lukatrajkovic]

17 hours ago, hansvons said:

I've shot many TV commercials on Alexa and Red cameras. I can't say that the SL2-S EVF is much worse than Arri's or Red's EVFs; to the contrary, it's one of the best EVFs on the market. Something must be off on your side. Apologies if I sounded a bit rude.

No problem Hans. Yeah, me too, I'm working as a DOP on TVCs, and I'm used to make 90% of look on set, that's why I'm always seeking for accurate preview on monitor. EVF on SL2s is amazing, for me much better than Alexa35, it's just too crushed with contrast. 

[lukatrajkovic]

13 hours ago, jaapv said:

The image on the LCD is obviously JPG derived from raw so if you shootDNG+JOG you can apply the settings in the menu, for instance low contrast. 

I'm shooting only DNG, maybe that's an issue. Thanks. 

[lukatrajkovic]

10 hours ago, frame-it said:

whats more serious than the colors on the LCD is the fact that many newer users simply don't want to try and use the forums "Search" menu, which is actually really good. 🤣

If this comment refers to me - I am not a new member and I always use the search option, so there is no need
for such a comment. I've researched everything on this topic and haven't found a solution. 

[wizard]

vor 22 Stunden schrieb lukatrajkovic:

image is very contrasty and I just find it difficult to work on image when I have strange preview on monitor.

You can adjust that by way of the JPEG settings. Go into your camera's menu and tone down the contrast setting for your chosen JPEG setting, as this will directly influence the way your preview image is shown on the monitor. Choosing a not so bright setting of the monitor may help, too.

[frame-it]

8 hours ago, lukatrajkovic said:

If this comment refers to me - I am not a new member and I always use the search option, so there is no need
for such a comment. I've researched everything on this topic and haven't found a solution. 

nah, it refers to a whole lot of posts all over the forum

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