250swb Posted October 28, 2024 Share #141 Posted October 28, 2024 (edited) Advertisement (gone after registration) There is no misunderstanding, the OP introduced two false ideas, that the M9 sensor was modelled specifically to mimic Kodachrome, and when that didn't go down too well to deflect with Plan B and suggest that everybody is now denying it was a sensor manufactured by Kodak. I think trawling back through the posts nobody at all has said the sensor wasn't made by Kodak (and it was a branch of Kodak that had nothing to do with film) Edited October 28, 2024 by 250swb Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Anthony MD Posted October 28, 2024 Author Share #142 Posted October 28, 2024 8 hours ago, frame-it said: ask Leica info@leica-camera.com Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Quote Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/384129-ccd-vs-cmos/?do=findComment&comment=5676889'>More sharing options...
pedaes Posted October 28, 2024 Share #143 Posted October 28, 2024 8 minutes ago, Anthony MD said: Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! See Post #139. And you have been asked before, please don't shout (especially when there is nothing to say)🤬 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
3D-Kraft.com Posted October 28, 2024 Share #144 Posted October 28, 2024 vor 1 Stunde schrieb Stuart Richardson: These are not the same photo, but the only two I had of my friend and her jacket. Again, not really processed, but you can see how differently Kodachrome renders than the M9. Apologies to my friend...not the greatest pictures...just here for the comparison What make's us sure, that the difference was not caused predominantly by the scan? 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
250swb Posted October 28, 2024 Share #145 Posted October 28, 2024 46 minutes ago, Anthony MD said: Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! That seems categorical evidence then, the sensor was designed by Kodak......🙄, who'd of thought. 🤣 1 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anthony MD Posted October 28, 2024 Author Share #146 Posted October 28, 2024 1 hour ago, 250swb said: There is no misunderstanding, the OP introduced two false ideas, that the M9 sensor was modelled specifically to mimic Kodachrome, and when that didn't go down too well to deflect with Plan B and suggest that everybody is now denying it was a sensor manufactured by Kodak. I think trawling back through the posts nobody at all has said the sensor wasn't made by Kodak (and it was a branch of Kodak that had nothing to do with film) Two false claims that others had me believe…📷 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
250swb Posted October 28, 2024 Share #147 Posted October 28, 2024 Advertisement (gone after registration) 1 minute ago, Anthony MD said: Two false claims that others had me believe…📷 Do tell who these others are, nobody in this thread has said anything about M9 'Kodachrome sensors' until you did. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anthony MD Posted October 28, 2024 Author Share #148 Posted October 28, 2024 4 minutes ago, 250swb said: That seems categorical evidence then, the sensor was designed by Kodak......🙄, who'd of thought. 🤣 Don’t believe everything you read…📷 🤓 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anthony MD Posted October 28, 2024 Author Share #149 Posted October 28, 2024 1 minute ago, 250swb said: Do tell who these others are, nobody in this thread has said anything about M9 'Kodachrome sensors' until you did. Sensors made by Kodak to mimic what…📷 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pedaes Posted October 28, 2024 Share #150 Posted October 28, 2024 2 minutes ago, Anthony MD said: Don’t believe everything you read…📷 🤓 The Red Book, or the Blue Book before it, is never wrong. Consult its ways and be wise! 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anthony MD Posted October 28, 2024 Author Share #151 Posted October 28, 2024 (edited) 53 minutes ago, Anthony MD said: 58 minutes ago, 250swb said: Do tell who these others are, nobody in this thread has said anything about M9 'Kodachrome sensors' until you did. Sensors made by Kodak to mimic what…📷 Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Edited October 28, 2024 by Anthony MD Quote Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/384129-ccd-vs-cmos/?do=findComment&comment=5676969'>More sharing options...
Stuart Richardson Posted October 28, 2024 Share #152 Posted October 28, 2024 1 hour ago, 3D-Kraft.com said: What make's us sure, that the difference was not caused predominantly by the scan? The fact that I have been scanning professionally for twenty years and it was a Hasselblad X5 scanner and slides have very obvious visual confirmation when viewed on a color stabilized light box. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dazzajl Posted October 28, 2024 Share #153 Posted October 28, 2024 36 minutes ago, Stuart Richardson said: The fact that I have been scanning professionally for twenty years and it was a Hasselblad X5 scanner and slides have very obvious visual confirmation when viewed on a color stabilized light box. Yes but other than that.......... Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Einst_Stein Posted October 28, 2024 Share #154 Posted October 28, 2024 Kodachrome or Velvia is not the ideal result of what the film engineers want. If Leica or Fujifilm want to develop a digital camera that has what people like Kodachrome or Velvia, they would not take Kodachrome or. Velvia’s actual color pallet and tone cure as the spec, they would take their ultimate target characteristics of the film and implemented according to the digital sensor’s limitation or strength (instead of the film chemical). More, they would take the advantages of digital and programmability to cover wider scopes. For the sensor, it would still be getting the best sensitivity and scalability. Perhaps also take care the color filter/micro-lens to make sure their spectrum range fit the color theory. The basic element of CCD or CMOS (the semiconductor capacitor, the photo diode), except the color filters, is neutral for the color rendering. As far as final look, be it Kodachrome or Velvia, would be left to the firmware or software. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pedaes Posted October 28, 2024 Share #155 Posted October 28, 2024 @Anthony MD, please give us a word to quote in your posts so we don't have to 'quote' all you screenshots. Apart from the correct DPR statement, all the others can provide no evidence to support their expressed opinion, which is there to get a few YouTube 'likes'. This constant denial of facts is now verging on trolling. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
250swb Posted October 28, 2024 Share #156 Posted October 28, 2024 (edited) 1 hour ago, Anthony MD said: Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! I can see your point, but it's pretty much all figurative in nature and in some cases a nostalgic remembrance of the M9, and when nostalgia rears it head photographers also think of Kodachrome and conflate the two. The M9 successor M240 was introduced in 2012 and for me personally and many other people the images out of the camera just didn't have the punch of the M9 even though it was clear it had a better dynamic range. And it was an era when many M photographers were buying their first digital M camera so for those photographers there was naturally a lot of comparison with film. And I think the M9 was a much easier starting point to emulate Kodachrome especially when it was in it's bold high contrast form, but Kodachrome could also do pastel shades and subtlety which I think the M240 could do better. Of course sensors now are so far away from that rawness and so few people have used Kodachrome that it is all purely based on emulation software rather than just bumping up the contrast and colour a bit. Edited October 28, 2024 by 250swb spelling Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff S Posted October 28, 2024 Share #157 Posted October 28, 2024 This thread started last November and appeared to die in April, seemingly after issues had been addressed. Probably should have stayed dormant, but that’s forum world. Maybe OP should reread his own thread. Jeff 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anthony MD Posted October 28, 2024 Author Share #158 Posted October 28, 2024 11 minutes ago, 250swb said: I can see your point, but it's pretty much all figurative in nature and in some cases a nostalgic remembrance of the M9, and when nostalgia rears it head photographers also think of Kodachrome and conflate the two. The M9 successor M240 was introduced in 2012 and for me personally and many other people the images out of the camera just didn't have the punch of the M9 even though it was clear it had a better dynamic range. And it was an era when many M photographers were buying their first digital M camera so for those photographers there was naturally a lot of comparison with film. And I think the M9 was a much easier starting point to emulate Kodachrome especially when it was in it's bold high contrast form, but Kodachrome could also do pastel shades and subtlety which I think the M240 could do better. Of course sensors now are so far away from that rawness and so few people have used Kodachrome that it is all purely based on emulation software rather than just bumping up the contrast and colour a bit. More DR tends to soften punch and less DR resemble Kodachrome…📷 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anthony MD Posted October 28, 2024 Author Share #159 Posted October 28, 2024 8 minutes ago, Jeff S said: This thread started last November and appeared to die in April, seemingly after issues had been addressed. Probably should have stayed dormant, but that’s forum world. Maybe OP should reread his own thread. Jeff Too busy, don’t have the time whereas I’m so preoccupied with my opinions, but thanks for sharing…📷 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anthony MD Posted October 30, 2024 Author Share #160 Posted October 30, 2024 Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Quote Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/384129-ccd-vs-cmos/?do=findComment&comment=5679396'>More sharing options...
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