costa43 Posted October 29, 2023 Share #1 Posted October 29, 2023 Advertisement (gone after registration) Hi all, I’ve owned my m10r for a couple of months or so now and have found that the metering is a little different to my previous Leica M cameras. When I’m not in manual, which is quite often in flat light, I find I have to set exp comp to +1 to get close to an accurate exposure. Just wondering if anyone else has experienced the same thing? Thanks Costa Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Siriusone59 Posted October 29, 2023 Share #2 Posted October 29, 2023 Yes, I've noticed it also. I've gotten into the habit of fooling my meter by tilting the camera down so it can meter off the grass and half pressing the shutter to lock the exposure before raising to frame and finishing pressing the shutter release. It works for me but should I forget or not have the opportunity to do that, I'll just bring up the shadows in Lightroom. The exposure latitude is wide enough to permit it to be fixed. I'm thinking that Leica changed how the camera meters to help prevent blown out highlights. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max365 Posted October 29, 2023 Share #3 Posted October 29, 2023 @costa43: I'm new of Leica world and thought it was an issue depending on me. I share the same solution of Siriusone59. It's annoying ... 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
costa43 Posted October 30, 2023 Author Share #4 Posted October 30, 2023 17 hours ago, Siriusone59 said: Yes, I've noticed it also. I've gotten into the habit of fooling my meter by tilting the camera down so it can meter off the grass and half pressing the shutter to lock the exposure before raising to frame and finishing pressing the shutter release. It works for me but should I forget or not have the opportunity to do that, I'll just bring up the shadows in Lightroom. The exposure latitude is wide enough to permit it to be fixed. I'm thinking that Leica changed how the camera meters to help prevent blown out highlights. My thought was also that it was for the highlights but I’ve found that the m10r excels in this area when accurately exposed. Better than any other camera I’ve owned in fact. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GFONG Posted October 30, 2023 Share #5 Posted October 30, 2023 When using rangefinder, the camera is using center weighted metering regardless which metering method is chosen. All three metering methods work with Live View. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
costa43 Posted October 30, 2023 Author Share #6 Posted October 30, 2023 26 minutes ago, GFONG said: When using rangefinder, the camera is using center weighted metering regardless which metering method is chosen. All three metering methods work with Live View. Yes, I’m aware of this but I’ve found the m10r tends to underexpose by 2/3rds to 1 stop depending on the scene even if it is not high contrast, difficult lighting etc. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GFONG Posted October 30, 2023 Share #7 Posted October 30, 2023 Advertisement (gone after registration) 35 minutes ago, costa43 said: Yes, I’m aware of this but I’ve found the m10r tends to underexpose by 2/3rds to 1 stop depending on the scene even if it is not high contrast, difficult lighting etc. When using the M10P, I needed to -2/3 EV. For my M10R, so far I found that it is quite accurate even though it is using center weighted metering. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
costa43 Posted October 30, 2023 Author Share #8 Posted October 30, 2023 40 minutes ago, GFONG said: When using the M10P, I needed to -2/3 EV. For my M10R, so far I found that it is quite accurate even though it is using center weighted metering. That’s interesting, maybe it’s the funky light I’m getting where I live but I find they come in under most of the time even in flat dreary conditions. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
otto.f Posted October 30, 2023 Share #9 Posted October 30, 2023 (edited) 44 minutes ago, costa43 said: That’s interesting, maybe it’s the funky light I’m getting where I live but I find they come in under most of the time even in flat dreary conditions. I agree and have the same experiences, although it’s mostly in the typical landscape setting of bright sky and normal earth, and also in interiors with highlights. It seems that the M10-R lightmeter overrates the highlights. To be sure I always measure the light on my hand, followed by Siriusone59’s method. Isn’t this adjustable with a firmware update? Because when I analyze my shots on my Mac the underexposure isn’t as bad as seen on the LCD-screen during the shooting. I do not remember whether the M10 had an Auto Display Brightness of the screen, but the M10-R has. If I set the brightness not Auto but at Medium high or High, I evaluate the shots less underexposed during a shooting session. Edited October 30, 2023 by otto.f 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
costa43 Posted October 31, 2023 Author Share #10 Posted October 31, 2023 14 hours ago, otto.f said: I agree and have the same experiences, although it’s mostly in the typical landscape setting of bright sky and normal earth, and also in interiors with highlights. It seems that the M10-R lightmeter overrates the highlights. To be sure I always measure the light on my hand, followed by Siriusone59’s method. Isn’t this adjustable with a firmware update? Because when I analyze my shots on my Mac the underexposure isn’t as bad as seen on the LCD-screen during the shooting. I do not remember whether the M10 had an Auto Display Brightness of the screen, but the M10-R has. If I set the brightness not Auto but at Medium high or High, I evaluate the shots less underexposed during a shooting session. I can’t see too much of a difference between the back screen on camera and my computer but I’ve not really compared. I will check it later today also for my curiosity. I should think firmware could improve the back screen accuracy but I doubt Leica would ever entertain us with an update! I also meter off the floor a fair bit but tend to revert to manual where I’ve memorised over the years different settings for f8 depending on the light and then go from there. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bherman01545 Posted October 31, 2023 Share #11 Posted October 31, 2023 On 10/29/2023 at 3:43 AM, costa43 said: Hi all, I’ve owned my m10r for a couple of months or so now and have found that the metering is a little different to my previous Leica M cameras. When I’m not in manual, which is quite often in flat light, I find I have to set exp comp to +1 to get close to an accurate exposure. Just wondering if anyone else has experienced the same thing? Thanks Costa Which metering mode are you using? Center Weighted? I've had better luck with Multi Field. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
costa43 Posted October 31, 2023 Author Share #12 Posted October 31, 2023 2 hours ago, bherman01545 said: Which metering mode are you using? Center Weighted? I've had better luck with Multi Field. I primarily use the rangefinder so centre weighted. When in live view, I keep it at centre weighted too for consistency. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
otto.f Posted November 1, 2023 Share #13 Posted November 1, 2023 18 hours ago, bherman01545 said: Which metering mode are you using? Center Weighted? I've had better luck with Multi Field. Multifield does not work with optical rangefinder as far as I know Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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