Pressure plate issues with new film Ms resolved?

[_Alex_]

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Hello, everyone. 

I remember reading, here and elsewhere, about some issues with the 2022/23 crop of Leica M-As, MPs, and M6s. Mostly, these related to film scratching and pressure plate adjustments. Have these been resolved? Were there any other common defects recently? And as far as anyone knows (there are some well-connected folks on these message boards) are current stocks of Ms at popular resellers (B&H, Leica Stores, etc.) from batches after the ones with said issues? 

I'm considering an M-A, in silver, and would like to get the latest info. 

Thanks. 

-A. 

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[Jdjdjdi]

No, Leica didn’t do any recalls they just left stock with these issues with retailers so if you have an issue you have to send it back and wait for them to fix it then.

 

[Jewl]

Jub, you need to check your new film M whether it has any issues and if yes, you need to open a case to get it fixed. So did I with my new MP produced in 2023. 

[poli]

And if it scratches prepare for the wait. I’m already waiting 6 months… getting a bit embarrassing. 

[_Alex_]

Ah. That's good to know. Thanks for the info, gents. 

[250swb]

Leica’s are not for mardy people whether they work out of the box or need an adjustment sometime in their life. But if it’s good from day one it should last another twenty years without a service, if it needs adjustment (and a sometimes they do but it’s a bad rep for Leica), it should last the same. But you do all know that the few people who post about problems on camera forums are the minority with an axe to grind don’t you? Otherwise if it was a pandemic failure many thousands of people would be complaining on forums. So, perspective maybe?

[_Alex_]

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1 hour ago, 250swb said:

Leica’s are not for mardy people whether they work out of the box or need an adjustment sometime in their life. But if it’s good from day one it should last another twenty years without a service, if it needs adjustment (and a sometimes they do but it’s a bad rep for Leica), it should last the same. But you do all know that the few people who post about problems on camera forums are the minority with an axe to grind don’t you? Otherwise if it was a pandemic failure many thousands of people would be complaining on forums. So, perspective maybe?

Well, 250swb, I agree with you. However, I have three Leicas and I've sold three others over the past 20 years, so I'm not new to this. Leica acknowledged production issues in early 2022, so I'm canvasing to see how that's panned out and whether or not I feel like rolling those dice. Same can be said for the recent issues with the steel rim 35 'lux and the 2022 version of the 35 'lux aspheric with aperture blade problems. Right? 

[Jdjdjdi]

8 hours ago, 250swb said:

Leica’s are not for mardy people whether they work out of the box or need an adjustment sometime in their life. But if it’s good from day one it should last another twenty years without a service, if it needs adjustment (and a sometimes they do but it’s a bad rep for Leica), it should last the same. But you do all know that the few people who post about problems on camera forums are the minority with an axe to grind don’t you? Otherwise if it was a pandemic failure many thousands of people would be complaining on forums. So, perspective maybe?

Not true. There’s a huge Leica fan on this forum that bought an MP in 2020. Lasted 2-3 years and now needs a curtain replacement and the part isn’t available for another 6 months…

[Jdjdjdi]

6 hours ago, Bronco McBeast said:

One guy on the forum went all princess about his M6 scratching film, something to do with his Dollar being worth 10 times other people’s Dollars. 
 

And to this day, I can’t say he even knew what he was talking about. But the drama… damn.

Anyhow, i firmly dout there is a  problem with the pressure plates on new Leicas. And if there is a problem on a seldom Leica here or there, it will be corrected.

 

What was difficult to understand about Huss’ M6 problem? Are you just being obtuse?

You can firmly doubt Leica is infallible all you want but it doesn’t change objective reality, it just makes you look silly 

[Bronco McBeast]

5 hours ago, Huss said:

Beasty, you should write to Leica and tell them they are wrong.

https://www.35mmc.com/05/06/2023/psa-leica-acknowledges-batch-of-faulty-pressure-plates-in-new-leica-m6-rangefinder/

 

Hussky, totally my point.

You we’re so loud, so whiney, on all the forums, non-stop, almost trollish. So you got a Leica from a bad batch and you felt that even the United nations should know about it.

To me, Leica’s statement came across as a “STFU, dear self entitled customer. We’ll fix any problem under warranty. Now just STFU and get on with your life”.

 

 

 

Edited October 8, 2023 by Bronco McBeast

[250swb]

2 hours ago, Jdjdjdi said:

Not true. There’s a huge Leica fan on this forum that bought an MP in 2020. Lasted 2-3 years and now needs a curtain replacement and the part isn’t available for another 6 months…

Like I said, 'perspective', taking an exception of a shutter curtain fault and making a rule out of it is naïve, or with worse intent. My MP was built in 2002 and has yet to need an adjustment, or service, or repair. Most others built in the intervening years are the same. Faults attract people to forums to complain even if they would never usually join, even so given the tens of thousands of MP's built since 2002 to today there have not been hundreds of complaints about fundamental problems. Sure, some will have needed a service, or an adjustment, this is part of owning a mechanical Leica, it's not a cause to complain. So don't imply I'm lying.

[plaidshirts]

Problems with new expensive products don’t bother me (buy a new car lately?), but the prolonged wait time for those problems to be resolved does.  Premium prices come with an expectation of a better product or at least more sympathetic and proactive customer service. Apparently, not all share that sentiment. 

Edited October 8, 2023 by plaidshirts

[XOONS]

vor 11 Stunden schrieb Bronco McBeast:

You we’re so loud

I have not followed the discussion in detail. But I think that nowadays, unfortunately, you have to be very loud to assert your legitimate interests against companies. And why? Because otherwise the companies won't budge. Not one bit.
 

[Huss]

In California, the Consumer Protection Law i.e. "Lemon Law" applies to new products purchased.  Not just cars.  If Leica is taking longer than 30 days to facilitate a repair, they are in violation of this law.  After 30 days the consumer is entitled to either a full refund or direct replacement.

The California Lemon Law provides protection for consumer goods that are purchased or leased for personal, family, or household use. The California lemon law applies to most consumer goods, except for clothes and consumable goods, such as fruits, vegetables, cosmetics, and over-the-counter drugs.

In California, if a manufacturer cannot repair a consumer good after a reasonable number of repair attempts, then it must either replace or refund the consumer’s money for the defective product.

Ensure that repairs to the defective goods do not take more than 30 days

https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/codes_displayText.xhtml?lawCode=CIV&division=3.&title=1.7.&part=4.&chapter=1.&article=3.

FYI the law also stipulates that the manufacturer has to foot the consumer's legal bills.

Edited October 8, 2023 by Huss

[250swb]

3 hours ago, XOONS said:

I have not followed the discussion in detail. But I think that nowadays, unfortunately, you have to be very loud to assert your legitimate interests against companies. And why? Because otherwise the companies won't budge. Not one bit.
 

It’s a bombastic point of view, but difficult to bring that case against companies that make limited quantities at any one time. Sure if the company has a construction line permanently on the go you may expect the service you require, but Leica build cameras in batches, they send them out, sell them, and then build some more. It would ruin Leica to do otherwise, so a good thing you aren’t CEO.

[XOONS]

vor 12 Stunden schrieb 250swb:

so a good thing you aren’t CEO

I am a customer. Think about what that means.

 

[250swb]

3 minutes ago, XOONS said:

I am a customer. Think about what that means.

 

An inflated sense of your own importance? 

[XOONS]

vor einer Stunde schrieb 250swb:

An inflated sense of your own importance? 

Please calm down.

When you've cooled down a bit, we can talk further about how much you think Leica customers have to suffer before they are allowed to stand up forcefully for their rights as customers.

 

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[Jdjdjdi]

On 10/8/2023 at 4:08 PM, Bronco McBeast said:

Hussky, totally my point.

You we’re so loud, so whiney, on all the forums, non-stop, almost trollish. So you got a Leica from a bad batch and you felt that even the United nations should know about it.

To me, Leica’s statement came across as a “STFU, dear self entitled customer. We’ll fix any problem under warranty. Now just STFU and get on with your life”.

 

 

 

Why does a brand new “mechanical perfect” camera have such a huge problem that needed to go back MULTIPLE times to be fixed.

The stuff you’re willing to put up with is crazy. Too much money clearly! 🤣

[Jdjdjdi]

On 10/8/2023 at 6:06 PM, 250swb said:

Like I said, 'perspective', taking an exception of a shutter curtain fault and making a rule out of it is naïve, or with worse intent. My MP was built in 2002 and has yet to need an adjustment, or service, or repair. Most others built in the intervening years are the same. Faults attract people to forums to complain even if they would never usually join, even so given the tens of thousands of MP's built since 2002 to today there have not been hundreds of complaints about fundamental problems. Sure, some will have needed a service, or an adjustment, this is part of owning a mechanical Leica, it's not a cause to complain. So don't imply I'm lying.

I went through 2 brand new MPs in 2021 before I have up…I guess my experience was a dream and I’m naive. 
 

Leica knew how to make cameras in 2002…not so much now. Ignoring the consistent problems they have with film cameras and QC is pretty silly