M6 Weird Flares / Rolling Effects?

[logan2z]

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I don't know if the issue facing @shawn2ndis the same as the one I've been seeing, but this is definitely not normal:

I've never seen this with hundreds of prior rolls of Tri-X, HP5 or FP4 (note that I never load film in direct sunlight, always in shade). 

I've sent the above photo (and a few others like it) to Ilford and they believe the likely cause is a faulty light trap on the film cassettes.  In all the communication I've had with them they have not once suggested that this is from normal light leakage through the 'mouth' of the film cassette.

Edited August 27, 2023 by logan2z

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[jgeenen]

vor 8 Stunden schrieb logan2z:

I don't know if the issue facing @shawn2ndis the same as the one I've been seeing, but this is definitely not normal:

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I've never seen this with hundreds of prior rolls of Tri-X, HP5 or FP4 (note that I never load film in direct sunlight, always in shade). 

I agree, light passing at least three layer of film indicates a serious issue with the cartridge, on the other hand the decreasing density and increasing distance most likely excludes the camera as the root cause. I hope, you‘ll get this sorted out soon and get refund/exchange by Ilford.

assuming that production values of film stock is comparingly small nowadays (probably only one production line left at Ilford), this faulty batch might be spread across the globe and the OP‘s failure might have the very same root cause.

Johannes

[250swb]

29 minutes ago, jgeenen said:

I agree, light passing at least three layer of film indicates a serious issue with the cartridge, on the other hand the decreasing density and increasing distance most likely excludes the camera as the root cause. I hope, you‘ll get this sorted out soon and get refund/exchange by Ilford.

assuming that production values of film stock is comparingly small nowadays (probably only one production line left at Ilford), this faulty batch might be spread across the globe and the OP‘s failure might have the very same root cause.

Johannes

Whether you are on board with a conspiracy theory or not the OP is now blaming Ilford not only for light leaks but also for selling him a short roll. It's almost like he imagines some guy turns up on the production line befuddled after a heavy night out, is allowed to load 24 exposure lengths into 36 exposure cassettes and then they go into shops unchallenged by Quality Control. Except all the cassettes have a bar codes on them, and the production machines respond to bar codes and they are cross checked with the film going in and the film going out. And after the batch is made Ilford do testing from the batch to ensure it meets the set criteria. Which is why nobody (except the OP) is posting on the internet that Ilford sold them a short length of film. 

If you want to put all your eggs in one basket and hang your reputation on a beginner who starts shooting at frame '0' good luck, I think you are too trusting.

[williamj]

21 hours ago, logan2z said:

I don't know if the issue facing @shawn2ndis the same as the one I've been seeing, but this is definitely not normal:

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I've never seen this with hundreds of prior rolls of Tri-X, HP5 or FP4 (note that I never load film in direct sunlight, always in shade). 

I've sent the above photo (and a few others like it) to Ilford and they believe the likely cause is a faulty light trap on the film cassettes.  In all the communication I've had with them they have not once suggested that this is from normal light leakage through the 'mouth' of the film cassette.

I've seen exposure marks like this when testing the self-timer on my M3, shortly after I received it. In addition the film failed to advance between exposures when the self timer was operated. So in a sequence of Self Timer, Normal Exposure, Self Timer, Normal Exposure, Normal Exposure, there were only three exposed frames and two of the frames had these marks on them. Examination of the curtains showed they were not timing properly and were staying open long enough to fog the film. This problem disappeared after I repeatedly blank fired the self timer.

I've also seen marks similar to this at the start of rolls for film sent through ordinary mail and the film has been fogged by X-Rays or other high energy beams.

Obviously, I'm not saying this is the cause of the OP's issues but rather that sometimes anomalies can be due to other than the causes that have been suspected.

[Matlock]

33 minutes ago, williamj said:

I've seen exposure marks like this when testing the self-timer on my M3, shortly after I received it. In addition the film failed to advance between exposures when the self timer was operated. So in a sequence of Self Timer, Normal Exposure, Self Timer, Normal Exposure, Normal Exposure, there were only three exposed frames and two of the frames had these marks on them. Examination of the curtains showed they were not timing properly and were staying open long enough to fog the film. This problem disappeared after I repeatedly blank fired the self timer.

I've also seen marks similar to this at the start of rolls for film sent through ordinary mail and the film has been fogged by X-Rays or other high energy beams.

Obviously, I'm not saying this is the cause of the OP's issues but rather that sometimes anomalies can be due to other than the causes that have been suspected.

M6 does not have a self timer.

[williamj]

7 minutes ago, Matlock said:

M6 does not have a self timer.

I know. That’s not my point. 

[shawn2nd]

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13 hours ago, 250swb said:

Whether you are on board with a conspiracy theory or not the OP is now blaming Ilford not only for light leaks but also for selling him a short roll. It's almost like he imagines some guy turns up on the production line befuddled after a heavy night out, is allowed to load 24 exposure lengths into 36 exposure cassettes and then they go into shops unchallenged by Quality Control. Except all the cassettes have a bar codes on them, and the production machines respond to bar codes and they are cross checked with the film going in and the film going out. And after the batch is made Ilford do testing from the batch to ensure it meets the set criteria. Which is why nobody (except the OP) is posting on the internet that Ilford sold them a short length of film. 

If you want to put all your eggs in one basket and hang your reputation on a beginner who starts shooting at frame '0' good luck, I think you are too trusting.

Lol do you feel like a bigger person now? 😂😂😂