Fate of Sean's quick adjust for ISO and exposure comp???

[charlesphoto99]

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I still think Leica's "culture" won't allow them to implement any FW changes that directly affect the hardware due to possibly "confusing" the customer.

 

My girlfriend (soon to be wife) is German so I have a pretty good insight into this mind set.

I also shot a recent catalogue for a German company that was a nightmare of stringency and inflexibility (and they never said one nice thing about the photos only what was done wrong).

 

But I would love to see Sean's idea implemented (many times I've forgotten to push that last "set" in the series - would be nice to just scroll to it and be done) so best of luck and I'll add a polite email if that helps.

 

Charles

[robsteve]

Hi Rob,

 

See my first M8 review.

 

Cheers,

 

Sean

 

Do you have a link to it that is readable by the general public? I don't have a membership to your site currently. I have all the M lenses I need and already bought a M8, so the usefulness of your site to me diminished. I subscribed to it initially to get information on the DMR. I will probabably subscribe again when you start reviewing anthing new in the Leica R line, such as the R10.

[robsteve]

(many times I've forgotten to push that last "set" in the series - would be nice to just scroll to it and be done) so best of luck and I'll add a polite email if that helps.

 

Charles

 

Charles:

 

I would agree with your statement about omitting the last press of the set button. I used to forget to do it quite often.

 

I am sure there is a reason for it, but Leica has never been good at articulating their reasoning.

 

For example, on the original Canon digitals (D2000) and the later 1D, you needed to use two hands to adjust things (hold button down while spinning scroll wheel) and the reasoning was to avoid an acidental adjustment of a setting. This may be the same reason for the confirmation press of the set button on the M8.

 

Robert

[charlesphoto99]

And Leica's over concern about us avoiding an accidental setting often occurs in one doing exactly that! Same reasoning they don't want a user accessible lens menu listing in addition to coding. We may make a mistake. Frustrating to say the least but a definite mindset on their part.

[sean_reid]

Do you have a link to it that is readable by the general public? I don't have a membership to your site currently. I have all the M lenses I need and already bought a M8, so the usefulness of your site to me diminished. I subscribed to it initially to get information on the DMR. I will probabably subscribe again when you start reviewing anthing new in the Leica R line, such as the R10.

 

Hi Rob,

 

Its in the new thread.

 

Cheers,

 

Sean

[guywalder]

Sean,

in response to your post in your survey thread:

 

One needs to do three things in the correct sequence in order to make the change.

 

1. Press the left or right arrow

2. Move the wheel or press the up/down arrow keys

3. Press the set button or half-press the shutter release

 

This sequence makes accidental changes pretty unlikely. It's one of the aspects I looked at with Leica early on. For further discussion though, lets try a different thread so that this one stays clean (basically a kind of poll).

 

Cheers,

 

Sean

 

as I said in my post in that thread, it depends! IF a half press of the shutter locks in new settings, ie the half press I make in bringing the camera up to my eye, then a camera bumping against my hip will (realitively) easily change setting. However if you have to use the set button, as currently, to lock in the new setting then the danger of accidental setting is reduced.

To be honest I dont care about WB, certainly not a change on the fly facility. I only use RAW, with a pre-set for consistency. I always shoot in manual, so EV is of no interest (until it is functional in manual for finer exosure control!), and I dont feel a pressing need for faster access to ISO control, I change it when the light level drops, not from shot to shot.

That said I have nothing against an alternative way of making adjustments As Long As that new way does not lead to new problems (ie mis-settings!!). Bearing in mind that the M8 has no visible indication of either of the 3 functions, unless the set menu is displayed, the danger of mis-setting is a serious one, and one that would significantly reduce the utility of the camera for me. Consider the moaning about mis-setting the on-off switch....

 

As the saying goes, Be careful what you wish for!

[steve_l]

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it should be possible to add (even later, after the changes are implemented) some sort of nice confirmation scheme that would be visible in the finder - either an actual display of the new values, or if the display isn't amenable to that, just a confirmation of "changes made, up or down, how many steps"