New Leica M6 buyers remorse?

[hillavoider]

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could be the price of film which is eye watering now

not related but makes using an x-pan very expensive 

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[69xchange]

On 8/15/2023 at 8:16 PM, williamj said:

I'm seeing more than one new Leica M6 of 2022 for sale second hand. They are not being flipped for a profit, the sellers are taking a small loss. What do other people think. Is this buyers remorse?

Is one of them from AGF cameras with the scratches? If so, I’ve been told that the customer had multiple M bodies in a bag and just had them bang up on each other. I snagged the M-A as the serial number dates back to late 2021 production.

So it’s basically a new camera internals with surface scratches. Nothing “too” deep nor any dents. Great user camera without having to worry about babying it.

[williamj]

17 minutes ago, 69xchange said:

Is one of them from AGF cameras with the scratches? If so, I’ve been told that the customer had multiple M bodies in a bag and just had them bang up on each other. I snagged the M-A as the serial number dates back to late 2021 production.

So it’s basically a new camera internals with surface scratches. Nothing “too” deep nor any dents. Great user camera without having to worry about babying it.

Interesting story for a great camera  but no, these are on Tamarkin’s website and as has been suggested, two cameras. 

[Bronco McBeast]

New M6. It’s a bit feminine, I truly dislike the redesigned winding lever (ever since the great looking M4 lever), but all in all, it’s a workhorse.

 

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[Borna]

23 minutes ago, Bronco McBeast said:

New M6. It’s a bit feminine, I truly dislike the redesigned winding lever (ever since the great looking M4 lever), but all in all, it’s a workhorse.

 

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This is the new M6? Already brassed up? cool. How many rolls have you shot? 

[Bronco McBeast]

21 minutes ago, Borna said:

This is the new M6? Already brassed up? cool. How many rolls have you shot? 

I’d say 300+
Shot 100 in the past month.

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[Huss]

1 hour ago, Bronco McBeast said:

New M6. It’s a bit feminine, I truly dislike the redesigned winding lever (ever since the great looking M4 lever), but all in all, it’s a workhorse.

 

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I replaced the loose knuckle standard lever with the much nicer, stronger one for the MP.

[wizard]

vor 47 Minuten schrieb willeica:

Don't all rush.

Jesus, this goes to show that lots of money and taste don't always coincide.

[Bronco McBeast]

4 hours ago, Huss said:

I replaced the loose knuckle standard lever with the much nicer, stronger one for the MP.

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I love the knuckle action, makes me feel all the mechanicas a bit more.

I’m also good with my MPs and ala carte M7’s M2 style levers. 

It’s just that the M4’ lever was so stylish, I really like it versus the M4-P etc restyled lever.

How do you cope with your replacement lever not matching the camera’s finish? The M6 is, after all matte paint and it brasses quite nicely, gaining a nice patina as well. I wouldn’t be happy with the mismatch. I’m like that...

[Huss]

1 hour ago, Bronco McBeast said:

 

How do you cope with your replacement lever not matching the camera’s finish? The M6 is, after all matte paint and it brasses quite nicely, gaining a nice patina as well. I wouldn’t be happy with the mismatch. I’m like that...

The finish is indistinguishable.  I much prefer the solid feel against the hinged action. And also no chance of the plastic half breaking off - which I have seen happen and I guess is why there are so many spare plastic bits for sale on ebay!

 

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[Anbaric]

On 8/16/2023 at 4:16 AM, williamj said:

I'm seeing more than one new Leica M6 of 2022 for sale second hand. They are not being flipped for a profit, the sellers are taking a small loss. What do other people think. Is this buyers remorse?

They probably couldn't find any compatible SD cards:

 

[Huss]

1 hour ago, Anbaric said:

They probably couldn't find any compatible SD cards:

 

All kidding aside, that was a real thing w the M9.  

[Huss]

On 8/16/2023 at 11:39 PM, hillavoider said:

could be the price of film which is eye watering now

not related but makes using an x-pan very expensive 

Interesting.  My Xpan is just as expensive to use as my other 35mm cameras as it uses the same film,  Always has.

[charlesphoto99]

8 minutes ago, Huss said:

Interesting.  My Xpan is just as expensive to use as my other 35mm cameras as it uses the same film,  Always has.

Yes, but you get less frames per roll with an X-pan, so if you amortize shot by shot, it is more expensive. 

[Huss]

1 hour ago, charlesphoto99 said:

Yes, but you get less frames per roll with an X-pan, so if you amortize shot by shot, it is more expensive. 

 Xpans get 21 shots per roll.  Regular cameras get 36.  Nothing has changed.  Film is just more expensive for every camera.

[logan2z]

On 8/16/2023 at 11:39 PM, hillavoider said:

could be the price of film which is eye watering now

It's definitely become more expensive, but I'm not sure I'd go as far as eye watering - at least not for B&W film.  HP5+ at $8.99 is still not that bad IMO.  You can bulk roll it to get it down to about $6/roll.  Then there are films like Kentmere 400 for $6.50 a roll and others.  Develop it yourself for pennies a roll.

I certainly get more than $8 of enjoyment out of shooting a roll of film.  I shot 8 rolls this past weekend (which is a record for me) at the Rolex Monterey Motorsports Reunion in Carmel, CA and had a terrific time.  I could think of much worse ways to spend $70 over two days.

I always find it amusing when people come to the Leica forum to discuss their new $5K M6/M-A/MP and their $6K lenses and then balk at $6-$8 for a roll of film.  The cost of film is insignificant in comparison. 

Edited August 19, 2023 by logan2z

[Warton]

3 hours ago, logan2z said:

It's definitely become more expensive, but I'm not sure I'd go as far as eye watering - at least not for B&W film.  HP5+ at $8.99 is still not that bad IMO.  You can bulk roll it to get it down to about $6/roll.  Then there are films like Kentmere 400 for $6.50 a roll and others.  Develop it yourself for pennies a roll.

I certainly get more than $8 of enjoyment out of shooting a roll of film.  I shot 8 rolls this past weekend (which is a record for me) at the Rolex Monterey Motorsports Reunion in Carmel, CA and had a terrific time.  I could think of much worse ways to spend $70 over two days.

I always find it amusing when people come to the Leica forum to discuss their new $5K M6/M-A/MP and their $6K lenses and then balk at $6-$8 for a roll of film.  The cost of film is insignificant in comparison. 

I disagree.

A $500 Casio is too expensive. A $50,000 Patek is cheap.

You cannot compare the absolute dollar value.

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[Anbaric]

11 hours ago, Warton said:

I disagree.

A $500 Casio is too expensive. A $50,000 Patek is cheap.

You cannot compare the absolute dollar value.

I wonder how much that $50,000 Patek actually costs to make? A lot more than a Casio, but not $49,950 more. Maybe Patek are very good at marketing, as well as very good at making watches!

Of course Leica now has the high quality 35mm camera field to itself, so there's no 'Seiko' to show how expensive their 'Rolex' really is. Though you could buy a secondhand Nikon FM that does essentially the same thing as a secondhand M6 for about 5% of the price...

14 hours ago, logan2z said:

I always find it amusing when people come to the Leica forum to discuss their new $5K M6/M-A/MP and their $6K lenses and then balk at $6-$8 for a roll of film.  The cost of film is insignificant in comparison. 

B&W is still affordable, but in the UK colour with commercial processing is creeping up towards £1 a frame (or more if you use a pro lab with scanning). That soon adds up. Once I would think nothing of shooting 10 rolls in a day at some big event, but that might cost £300 today. And my M6, bought secondhand before Leica Hyperinflation, cost only £800 (I haven't yet spent four figures on a lens).

[logan2z]

2 hours ago, Anbaric said:

B&W is still affordable, but in the UK colour with commercial processing is creeping up towards £1 a frame (or more if you use a pro lab with scanning). That soon adds up. Once I would think nothing of shooting 10 rolls in a day at some big event, but that might cost £300 today. 

If one is really devoted to shooting film then it's probably best to develop/scan at home.  The costs will be significantly lower.  If that's not possible or too much trouble then digital is probably a better option. 

I personally never understood the hybrid workflow used by many of today's film shooters.  If your images are never going to be printed in the darkroom and only shared online (or printed digitally) then why bother with film at all?  I'd hazard a guess that it is the hybrid shooters who quickly abandon film as they see few, if any, upsides to it given their workflow and the end goal for their photos.