a.noctilux Posted August 21, 2023 Share #61 Posted August 21, 2023 Advertisement (gone after registration) Sorry to say the obvious, All of these pictures are digital when viewed like here on screen 🤪. ... Many years ago, I was happy/shocked when I viewed a very good print which I can hold in my hands and moving changing lighting to find that how emotional canbe a good picture on paper, from a good photographer. Then later on, visiting Ralph Gibson Exhibition, very happy first, then something bothered me, having a close look at those "good" nice prints on the wall, horribly I saw some "digital" grain (of course, how I could imagine traditional analog prints...). ... A bit out of topic (M6), just to show my feeling https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/318090-m246-replacing-film/?do=findComment&comment=4142815 more in this post https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/318090-m246-replacing-film/?do=findComment&comment=4142820 I wrote: Films do what films do never replaced or replaceable by digital means. But now time of film comeback has done the unthinkable "renewal of film", very good thing for new (and older) film lovers. As side note, for me, film died with Kodachrome only films which we used for very long. Now I discover b&w in films (I own a good stock) AND digital Monochroms. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! 3 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/380937-new-leica-m6-buyers-remorse/?do=findComment&comment=4840196'>More sharing options...
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a.noctilux Posted August 21, 2023 Share #62 Posted August 21, 2023 Sometimes film "scan" on screen pleases me a lot like here https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/284086-leica-m-film-photos-feel-free-to-share-yours/?do=findComment&comment=4139914 Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! .. MP, Agfa Vista 200 4 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! .. MP, Agfa Vista 200 ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/380937-new-leica-m6-buyers-remorse/?do=findComment&comment=4840210'>More sharing options...
Warton Posted August 21, 2023 Share #63 Posted August 21, 2023 6 hours ago, 69xchange said: Here’s a test, can you tell which photos are film or digital? 1) Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! 2) first is digital second is analog/film (judging by grains) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huss Posted August 21, 2023 Share #64 Posted August 21, 2023 10 hours ago, CSG123 said: Sorry, Huss, not feeling it. Other than the colors being off on both images, I don't see the "film" look you and some others see. But it really doesn't matter much to me. I've simply changed my thinking about shooting film vs. digital. Love my M4 but use it rarely now. Colors being off? What is the colors being 'on'? It's ok, film is not for you. It isn't for most people. Others like to put in the effort. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CSG123 Posted August 21, 2023 Share #65 Posted August 21, 2023 (edited) 2 hours ago, Huss said: Colors being off? What is the colors being 'on'? It's ok, film is not for you. It isn't for most people. Others like to put in the effort. Well, let's see, I started photography around 1962 when my dad gave me his old Agfa Speedex. Shot film until the mid 2000's when we got our first little P&S digital. Studied photography in school through college (electives), had a home darkroom for a number of years and still take a photography self-directed study class at our local college each year where I use their darkroom if I have film to develop. I think I'll go with my opinion. The passive-aggressive post with a bit of virtue signaling thrown in is not a good look for you. Edited August 21, 2023 by CSG123 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huss Posted August 21, 2023 Share #66 Posted August 21, 2023 1 hour ago, CSG123 said: Well, let's see, I started photography around 1962 when my dad gave me his old Agfa Speedex. Shot film until the mid 2000's when we got our first little P&S digital. Studied photography in school through college (electives), had a home darkroom for a number of years and still take a photography self-directed study class at our local college each year where I use their darkroom if I have film to develop. I think I'll go with my opinion. The passive-aggressive post with a bit of virtue signaling thrown in is not a good look for you. No, I stand by my statement. Nothing passive aggressive about it. Film is not for you, which is why you are making the argument that it is not for you. I'd wager that if digital was available back in 1962, you'd have been all over it back then too! Look, I'm not making the argument that film is better than digital. They are different. Pick the one you want and be happy with it. You picked digital. I use both but more on the film side because I get more satisfaction from it. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
69xchange Posted August 21, 2023 Share #67 Posted August 21, 2023 Advertisement (gone after registration) 6 hours ago, Warton said: first is digital second is analog/film (judging by grains) Both are analog. First is scanned by noritsu scanner at local photo lab, second is scanned with Leica Q1. Theres also image 3 & 4 too! At least one of them is digital! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anbaric Posted August 21, 2023 Share #68 Posted August 21, 2023 10 hours ago, a.noctilux said: Then later on, visiting Ralph Gibson Exhibition, very happy first, then something bothered me, having a close look at those "good" nice prints on the wall, horribly I saw some "digital" grain (of course, how I could imagine traditional analog prints...). I remember going to a World Press Photo exhibition back in the days when high ISO performance was pretty rubbish, and seeing some terrible chroma noise on some great photos! But perhaps you are talking about the 'grain' of the dots on large inkjet prints? Of course in a hybrid workflow, you can also do traditional silver prints with a digital enlarger (even quite large ones on a LightJet or a Lambda) starting either with a digital original or scanned film. Printed this way, you'd see the film grain if you started with a negative, but I doubt you'd see the pixels from either medium on a print of any reasonable size. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Surge Posted September 10, 2023 Share #69 Posted September 10, 2023 On 8/17/2023 at 4:41 PM, Huss said: The finish is indistinguishable. I much prefer the solid feel against the hinged action. And also no chance of the plastic half breaking off - which I have seen happen and I guess is why there are so many spare plastic bits for sale on ebay! Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Why not just get an MP? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huss Posted September 11, 2023 Share #70 Posted September 11, 2023 12 hours ago, Surge said: Why not just get an MP? Because the MP does not have a red dot on it that you HAVE to cover w a piece of black tape to show u r actually a serious photographer. 2 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andrew01 Posted September 16, 2023 Share #71 Posted September 16, 2023 On 8/21/2023 at 9:19 AM, 69xchange said: 3) Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! 4) For both examples it looks like 1 is film and 2 is digital with fake film grain added in post. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ianman Posted September 16, 2023 Share #72 Posted September 16, 2023 On 9/11/2023 at 4:24 AM, Huss said: Because the MP does not have a red dot on it that you HAVE to cover w a piece of black tape to show u r actually a serious photographer. I put a piece of black tape on my MP. I added it when configuring my “à la carte” body, so it’s Leica branded too 🧐 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huss Posted September 16, 2023 Share #73 Posted September 16, 2023 8 hours ago, ianman said: I put a piece of black tape on my MP. I added it when configuring my “à la carte” body, so it’s Leica branded too 🧐 DAG sells the official Leica red dots, so I'm thinking of getting one of those and putting it on my M3, then taping over it so no-one notices it. 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IkarusJohn Posted September 24, 2023 Share #74 Posted September 24, 2023 I like film - it’s probably just nostalgia on my part. When I switched to digital, I missed my film cameras. However, back in the day I’d buy film and think carefully about each image as they cost money (no focus or exposure bracketing). I’d go through a roll of film a week, on average; usually a single shot for each image. I’d then send the film off for processing, look at the results and they’d then go into a box. As a child, I helped my father and brother in the darkroom. Messing about with chemicals, trays and the enlarger struck me as a bit of a pain, frankly. If I were going to set it all up, mix the chemicals, get the paper etc, then I’d want a number of images to process to be worth the effort. Work on one image to get it right, then finally, perhaps have an image worth doing … what with? I was experienced, but never a “master printer”. When I was keen, I ended up with masses of prints gathering dust … I sold my darkroom gear years ago. I loved Kodachrome, printing the few worthy images in Cibachrome. I don’t see a lot of difference between projecting a slide or looking at it on a screen; and the M9 was very close to Kodachrome to my eye. I get it that for some the developing and printing is part of the pleasure, but for me taking the image is the best bit, followed by reviewing the results and, on the rare occasion, getting a print done professionally. With my films (mostly black and white), I scan them and store away the films, then decide if I want to print. In all, the cost of film isn’t really that much of a factor, but I still don’t run and gun. I don’t get the heroic virtual signaling about developing and printing yourself we see here from time to time. It’s just another approach. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huss Posted September 25, 2023 Share #75 Posted September 25, 2023 8 hours ago, IkarusJohn said: .. I don’t get the heroic virtual signaling about developing and printing yourself we see here from time to time. It’s just another approach. I would love to print again in a darkroom, but I first need a darkroom... I also love the consistency of printing from a scanned negative. Every print is the same so no paper/chems are wasted. I develop B&W myself because it is fun, but honestly because I want to save money wherever I can! Plus I can do it same day in the evening when I am done shooting, instead of taking to the shop the next day, then wait a few days to get it back. After all these years I haven't tired from opening the dev tank, taking the film out, holding it to the light and seeing the images on it. For those that don't want to dev themselves - for whatever reason it may be - I am just delighted that they are shooting on film. Just do whatever makes you happy. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IkarusJohn Posted September 25, 2023 Share #76 Posted September 25, 2023 I have everything I need to develop my own B&W negatives, except the motivation! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huss Posted September 25, 2023 Share #77 Posted September 25, 2023 1 minute ago, IkarusJohn said: I have everything I need to develop my own B&W negatives, except the motivation! Cinestill DF96 Monobath makes it sooooo easy. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pixie Posted September 28, 2023 Share #78 Posted September 28, 2023 I shot professionally! I used at first Leica-M. Later like all the buyers and users to SLR! Lenses were even then way cheaper than Leitz.. Nikon-F. Carried 5~6 lenses in a bag, Vivitar 285 flash. Minimum of 6 films. Shot heaps of film. There was no other way! Sheet film, very awkward and useless. In studio I moved to 120! I wanted less work in darkroom. Model shots! One roll per model. 12 images. Seeing 20 rolls 35mm, after a nights shoot, fashion, I felt ill at all that work.. I did all my own work. I DON'T miss it! I'm 79.. Digital is great! I still use my M3, 56 years old.. But color always digital.Color Fuji. Very contrasty, 35mm Summaron. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! 1 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/380937-new-leica-m6-buyers-remorse/?do=findComment&comment=4866151'>More sharing options...
colonel Posted September 28, 2023 Share #79 Posted September 28, 2023 On 8/19/2023 at 6:48 PM, logan2z said: If one is really devoted to shooting film then it's probably best to develop/scan at home. The costs will be significantly lower. If that's not possible or too much trouble then digital is probably a better option. I personally never understood the hybrid workflow used by many of today's film shooters. If your images are never going to be printed in the darkroom and only shared online (or printed digitally) then why bother with film at all? I'd hazard a guess that it is the hybrid shooters who quickly abandon film as they see few, if any, upsides to it given their workflow and the end goal for their photos. This has been much commented on but I think I need a crack The reason I shoot film is the beautiful (well to me): 1. Workflow: I love loading the film in, feeling the winding, rewinding. Sending off. Waiting for the results. 2. Shooting: enjoyment and challenge. need to think more, know that each press is 80p self-metering. BTW many people say you can use manual on digital cameras, but as well as being pointless, it never feels the same. Plus film has much more exposure and focus latitude, making it also more relaxing to shoot manual. 3. Central is also the aesthetic of certain films which just can't be replicated with digital. So there you go! 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
logan2z Posted September 28, 2023 Share #80 Posted September 28, 2023 3 hours ago, colonel said: This has been much commented on but I think I need a crack The reason I shoot film is the beautiful (well to me): 1. Workflow: I love loading the film in, feeling the winding, rewinding. Sending off. Waiting for the results. 2. Shooting: enjoyment and challenge. need to think more, know that each press is 80p self-metering. BTW many people say you can use manual on digital cameras, but as well as being pointless, it never feels the same. Plus film has much more exposure and focus latitude, making it also more relaxing to shoot manual. 3. Central is also the aesthetic of certain films which just can't be replicated with digital. So there you go! These all sound like good reasons to me. Keep shooting film! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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