What I feel upset with SL-2

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15 minutes ago, BernardC said:

shoot two shots in quick succession.

A Double Tap always works well!

i guess the OP is using SL AF lenses?

[Simone_DF]

On 7/23/2023 at 8:52 PM, Paco Rosso said:

-The battery... I cannot carry the camera the time I usually need in the street, about 6, 8 hours. Two batteries are emptys in about 3, 4 hours...

Mind if I ask you how you manage to empty two batteries in 3 hours? I do a full day of shooting with 2 batteries. I do chimp occasionally, but not that much. 

[hdmesa]

3 hours ago, Simone_DF said:

Mind if I ask you how you manage to empty two batteries in 3 hours? I do a full day of shooting with 2 batteries. I do chimp occasionally, but not that much. 

I wonder if a lot of people are using the iAF setting, which is constantly scanning/processing the running image feed for a subject to detect. People may also be leaving the shutter half-pressed to keep iAF active while waiting for a shot to emerge (street shooting for example).

[Jean-Michel]

I do  not quite understand the conversation about the difference in when an image is made by different cameras — and I have worked with everything from 8 by 10 view cameras to miniature cameras, that what a 35 mm camera used to be referred to. With an SLR or dSLR, what you see is the scene just before the mirror gets out of the way and the shutter opens up, little time taken but taken nonetheless, and for some work you would lock the mirror up before firing the shutter. With a mirrorless, the ‘mirror out of the way’ time is simply replaced by the ‘close the shutter’ time; just as with an SLR the image captured is what happens after that process is done with. The only ‘real time’ image cameras would be rangefinder camera such as Leica Ms as you have a non-stop view of the scene as you release the shutter, or maybe a press camera such a Speed Graphic! I have an SL2 and have zero issues with image making with that camera. 

[Simone_DF]

15 hours ago, hdmesa said:

I wonder if a lot of people are using the iAF setting, which is constantly scanning/processing the running image feed for a subject to detect. People may also be leaving the shutter half-pressed to keep iAF active while waiting for a shot to emerge (street shooting for example).

I do have the iAF setting enabled and I still manage to do with 2 batteries per day. That's why I am surprised that the OP claims their battery life is a mere 1-2 hours per battery. I'm genuinely curious about the use case.

[BernardC]

1 hour ago, Jean-Michel said:

I do  not quite understand the conversation about the difference in when an image is made by different cameras — and I have worked with everything from 8 by 10 view cameras to miniature cameras, that what a 35 mm camera used to be referred to. With an SLR or dSLR, what you see is the scene just before the mirror gets out of the way and the shutter opens up, little time taken but taken nonetheless, and for some work you would lock the mirror up before firing the shutter. With a mirrorless, the ‘mirror out of the way’ time is simply replaced by the ‘close the shutter’ time; just as with an SLR the image captured is what happens after that process is done with. The only ‘real time’ image cameras would be rangefinder camera such as Leica Ms as you have a non-stop view of the scene as you release the shutter, or maybe a press camera such a Speed Graphic! I have an SL2 and have zero issues with image making with that camera. 

The difference is that a camera with an electronic finder shows you the subject with a time delay. It's not an issue with most subjects, but it can be with fast action. It's hard to time your shutter press if the thing that you are reacting to hasn't been displayed yet.

I used a blink as an example. You can often tell when a person is about to blink, because there will be a small twitch. With a mirrorless, the time delay means that you won't see the twitch by the time you release the shutter. The original example has to do with dancers, and trying to time the shutter release with an important point in a movement (the apex of a jump, for instance). It's much harder when you are looking at the scene with a slight delay.

Sports photographers get around this by shooting sequences (starting before the expected key frame), but that's not a great solution with other types of subjects.

This is something that only bothers a small subset of photographers, but it can be quite annoying if you are in that subset.

[bobtodrick]

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God I must be old.

My camera of choice was a Leica R3 Mot...four frames per second...and I got award winning photos.

[jaapv]

17 hours ago, BernardC said:

The difference is that a camera with an electronic finder shows you the subject with a time delay. It's not an issue with most subjects, but it can be with fast action. It's hard to time your shutter press if the thing that you are reacting to hasn't been displayed yet.

I used a blink as an example. You can often tell when a person is about to blink, because there will be a small twitch. With a mirrorless, the time delay means that you won't see the twitch by the time you release the shutter. The original example has to do with dancers, and trying to time the shutter release with an important point in a movement (the apex of a jump, for instance). It's much harder when you are looking at the scene with a slight delay.

Sports photographers get around this by shooting sequences (starting before the expected key frame), but that's not a great solution with other types of subjects.

This is something that only bothers a small subset of photographers, but it can be quite annoying if you are in that subset.

Alternative: Get a Panasonic S camera. Then you have pre-burst. The camera starts recording your sequence  before you press the shutter button.

https://support-uk.panasonic.eu/app/answers/detail/a_id/4264/~/what-is-the-pre-burst-function-and-how-does-it-work%3F

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On 7/27/2023 at 4:45 AM, Simone_DF said:

manage to empty two batteries in 3 hours? I do a full day of shooting with 2 batteries. I do chimp occasionally, but not that much. 

evf at 120 and really bright, lcd brightness settings and image review, ibis ON, Af lenses, wifi and bluetooth ON...and non stop shooting..maybe that's how the battery goes down.

[Simone_DF]

50 minutes ago, frame-it said:

evf at 120 and really bright, lcd brightness settings and image review, ibis ON, Af lenses, wifi and bluetooth ON...and non stop shooting..maybe that's how the battery goes down.

I have the same settings as above, except perhaps really bright LCD, which I have set to its default. I can shoot about 300 pictures with these settings. 

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2 minutes ago, Simone_DF said:

I have the same settings as above, except perhaps really bright LCD, which I have set to its default. I can shoot about 300 pictures with these settings. 

i keep the evf at default settings, evf brightness low as possible, no review, ibis on if im using 135/180 or 200mm, don't leave the camera on if there is gonna be more than 5 minutes between shots, no wifi no bluetooth, only manual focus lenses...average 600-800/one battery

[Jean-Michel]

Just to see for myself about the delay in seeing/taking for the SL2. I photographed an online timer. I pressed the shutter button as close I could do when the timer hand was in the centre of the interval. In all cases there is a tiny bit of delay — the small numbers show the fractional difference. The delay is there, but it is really tiny, and may well simply be caused by my finger pressure delay. I repeated the test a couple of times and in all cases there was a similar result. I my type of photography, including occasional casual and formal portraiture, this is really an non-issue.

The exposure time was 1/250 of a second. The delays noted are less than 1/250 of a second. The seconds hand, in each case, moved 1/250 of a second between the start and end of the exposure, so really, can we even consider the delay a real delay given the length of the exposure!?

I tried to upload 14 small jpgs ( all below the max file size) with an error message. So I will try to upload then a little later. 

 

[Jean-Michel]

Here are the images, I hope.

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[Paco Rosso]

On 7/26/2023 at 9:45 PM, Simone_DF said:

Mind if I ask you how you manage to empty two batteries in 3 hours? I do a full day of shooting with 2 batteries. I do chimp occasionally, but not that much. 

¿How many shoot? I take about 1500 images in eachs session. If the dancer wants to see the photos we had made.... the battery longs less. In the same conditions with nikon D850 I can shoot about 4 sessions with only one battery.

 

 

Edited July 30, 2023 by Paco Rosso

[Paco Rosso]

On 7/28/2023 at 12:29 PM, Simone_DF said:

I have the same settings as above, except perhaps really bright LCD, which I have set to its default. I can shoot about 300 pictures with these settings. 

¡¡I need to shoot about 1500-2000 imagen in one single session!!

[Paco Rosso]

On 7/28/2023 at 12:33 PM, frame-it said:

i keep the evf at default settings, evf brightness low as possible, no review, ibis on if im using 135/180 or 200mm, don't leave the camera on if there is gonna be more than 5 minutes between shots, no wifi no bluetooth, only manual focus lenses...average 600-800/one battery

In this conditions, with my nikon (DSLR), 1 battery, about 6000 images...

[Olaf_ZG]

1 hour ago, Paco Rosso said:

In this conditions, with my nikon (DSLR), 1 battery, about 6000 images...

That is not photography, it’s a movie….

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5 hours ago, Paco Rosso said:

In this conditions, with my nikon (DSLR), 1 battery, about 6000 images...

well, every camera system is different, seems like the nikon battery and power management is amazing.

 

[jaapv]

Specially for you:

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Hallo,

Look here: Leica L-Mount

[Simone_DF]

Imagine culling 2000 shots each session, what a nightmare!