Voigtlander COLOR-SKOPAR 28mm F2.8 Aspherical VM

[madNbad]

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10 minutes ago, charlesphoto99 said:

What I find hilarious about this back and forth is the fact that the supposedly 'superior' dof markings on the type I would force the user to turn and look at the camera from the front to read them, therefore possibly nulling some of the benefit

It's Voigtlander's way of embracing the "selfie".

[hdmesa]

2 hours ago, charlesphoto99 said:

What I find hilarious about this back and forth is the fact that the supposedly 'superior' dof markings on the type I would force the user to turn and look at the camera from the front to read them, therefore possibly nulling some of the benefit. Also, isn't it just a matter of focus throw as to how they are implemented? Shorter focus throw, less room between distance marking? 

I just look down and can see the distance markings just fine with a slight upward tilt of the camera. 1.5m to infinity are right there on top, so no need to look around the side or bottom for common zone focusing distances.

The Type II doesn’t even have a 10m engraving on the lens, so everything from 5m to infinity is a dart throw.

I don’t know about how/why the Type I has the same spacing on the aperture marks but the distances are spaced out more. Could be the focus throw but might be the more narrow barrel making it seem that way.

Overall, it depends on what you need as to which is better. The Type I makes it easier to put your focus in the same place every time and to be more accurate with placement, but the Type II allows much faster operation for changing the aperture if you’re a shutter priority shooter.

Edited August 28, 2023 by hdmesa

[charlesphoto99]

12 minutes ago, hdmesa said:

The Type II doesn’t even have a 10m engraving on the lens, so everything from 5m to infinity is a dart throw.

I don’t know about how/why the Type I has the same spacing on the aperture marks but the distances are spaced out more. Could be the focus throw.

Overall, it depends on what you need as to which is better. The Type I makes it easier to put your focus in the same place every time and to be more accurate with placement, but the Type II allows much faster operation for changing the aperture if you’re a shutter priority shooter.

If shooting at 2.8/4 are you going to actually focus or try your luck by setting via scale? Over that it shouldn't matter too much, esp for farther distances. It's the focus throw - my 35 Summarit, which has less dof than a 28 of course, goes 5M and then infinity - my 28 cron goes 5/10/infinity but in very short order. But you may prefer longer throws.

Interesting lens to me but both versions leave something to be desired, which is too bad. I can't stand their use of red for feet - difficult to read. And that knobby focus thing on Type 1 doesn't appeal to me at all. Type II I'd be worried about the closer focus thing - nice to have, but could be difficult to get used to if one has mostly Leica lenses. One really does pay a premium for the UX on Leica lenses.  

[charlesphoto99]

25 minutes ago, hdmesa said:

Type II allows much faster operation for changing the aperture if you’re a shutter priority shooter.

I don't think one has to be an auto shooter to prioritize this - I have never shot Shutter Priority in my life (and rarely aperture priority with M's or otherwise) but do do a lot of quick aperture changes in manual mode. Kind of a strange way of thinking about it, imo, that one would only want/need a consistent aperture position because one is an auto user. 

[hdmesa]

1 minute ago, charlesphoto99 said:

If shooting at 2.8/4 are you going to actually focus or try your luck by setting via scale? Over that it shouldn't matter too much, esp for farther distances. It's the focus throw - my 35 Summarit, which has less dof than a 28 of course, goes 5M and then infinity - my 28 cron goes 5/10/infinity but in very short order. But you may prefer longer throws.

Interesting lens to me but both versions leave something to be desired, which is too bad. I can't stand their use of red for feet - difficult to read. And that knobby focus thing on Type 1 doesn't appeal to me at all. Type II I'd be worried about the closer focus thing - nice to have, but could be difficult to get used to if one has mostly Leica lenses. One really does pay a premium for the UX on Leica lenses.  

I think the use case (not mine) that sparked this specific discussion involved film-based zone focusing using f/8-11. I personally do not zone focus unless I'm shooting f/16 since DOF is so narrow when evaluated at 100% magnification on a 60mp M11/M11M file. My method is usually f/16 and use the rangefinder to just put the point of focus on a priority area.

1 minute ago, charlesphoto99 said:

I don't think one has to be an auto shooter to prioritize this - I have never shot Shutter Priority in my life (and rarely aperture priority with M's or otherwise) but do do a lot of quick aperture changes in manual mode. Kind of a strange way of thinking about it, imo, that one would only want/need a consistent aperture position because one is an auto user. 

That's fair, I wasn't considering manual shooting for some dumb reason. 

[TheEyesHaveIt]

Couple of shots from over the weekend with this lens. I've been contemplating a Summicron 28 for a f2.0 and the Leica build, but not sure given the size and performance of this lens (and I've heard the Ultron might be better than the Summicron anyway?).

 

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Edited September 8, 2023 by TheEyesHaveIt

[28framelines]

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Any more film-specific image samples from this lens? Curious about vignette colour casts in the corners on film vs digital. Fred Miranda’s images had a purple colour cast but they were on Digital.

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On 2/21/2024 at 10:19 AM, 28framelines said:

Any more film-specific image samples from this lens? Curious about vignette colour casts in the corners on film vs digital. Fred Miranda’s images had a purple colour cast but they were on Digital.

I don't see any vignette color cast with this lens even on digital. These were shot on the S5IIX, so if the lens had a magenta corner cast, it would certainly show up on this camera with its thicker cover glass. If you saw a magenta corner cast with this lens in other photos, it could be because the white balance tint was too magenta. There is a lot of magenta already in a dark blue sky, so if the white balance tint is not perfectly set, the darker corners may seem to have a magenta cast to them. Magenta is harder to see in the lighter blue areas of the sky and especially harder to see in areas like dirt, grass, trees, etc.

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4 minutes ago, hdmesa said:

I don't see any vignette color cast with this lens even on digital. These were shot on the S5IIX, so if the lens had a magenta corner cast, it would certainly show up on this camera with its thicker cover glass. If you saw a magenta corner cast with this lens in other photos, it could be because the white balance tint was too magenta. There is a lot of magenta already in a dark blue sky, so if the white balance tint is not perfectly set, the darker corners may seem to have a magenta cast to them. Magenta is harder to see in the lighter blue areas of the sky and especially harder to see in areas like dirt, grass, trees, etc.

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[28framelines]

Ended up getting this lens! Looks so good on the MP:

 

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[costa43]

I just bought one of these an hour ago. I was debating between this one and the Nokton but when I tried this in the shop it was perfect till the APO is released. Looks great on the M11-P and it’s so damn light!

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