Chaemono Posted June 7, 2023 Share #1 Posted June 7, 2023 Advertisement (gone after registration) 24 MP BSI sensor 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted June 7, 2023 Posted June 7, 2023 Hi Chaemono, Take a look here Leica M11S - wish list. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
sebben Posted June 8, 2023 Share #2 Posted June 8, 2023 (edited) Metering from shutter blades Traditional shutter action No screen Edited June 8, 2023 by sebben 8 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
fenykepesz Posted June 8, 2023 Share #3 Posted June 8, 2023 what (new?) type is this M11S camera ? what does 'S' stand for ? and in what way would this M11S dream differ from my dream M11-D ? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dugby Posted June 8, 2023 Share #4 Posted June 8, 2023 1 hour ago, fenykepesz said: what (new?) type is this M11S camera ? what does 'S' stand for ? and in what way would this M11S dream differ from my dream M11-D ? I suspect the OP should have written the topic as " M11-S " for consistent Leica nomenclature. Many M users hope for, the SL2-S 24MP BSI sensor in an M body. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Photoworks Posted June 8, 2023 Share #5 Posted June 8, 2023 🤦♂️ 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
thrid Posted June 12, 2023 Share #6 Posted June 12, 2023 Same as M11, but with... 40MP Closed-open-closed shutter cycle mode Brass top / bottom with black paint option Cheaper (LOL!) 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olaf_ZG Posted June 12, 2023 Share #7 Posted June 12, 2023 Advertisement (gone after registration) Looks like not freezing anymore is not desired 😎 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiwimac Posted June 13, 2023 Share #8 Posted June 13, 2023 I’d prefer an M11-P. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jewl Posted June 13, 2023 Share #9 Posted June 13, 2023 Sounds a bit like going back to the M10 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaemono Posted June 13, 2023 Author Share #10 Posted June 13, 2023 Nope. There is a difference in high ISO color and high ISO pushed shadows noise. Colors of M10 start to look a bit washed out from ISO 3200 and onwards. I shot the M10 next to the LUMIX S1 at high ISO when the latter came out with the same lens and thought, man, I wished that S1 sensor were in the M. M10 basically has the same sensor as M Typ 240. Leica just fixed the banding in pushed shadows noise at high ISO. Nothing wrong with it, but those 24 MP BSI FF sensors rock at high ISO. Plus, an M with its current form factor will never get IBIS with a mechanical shutter. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kwesi Posted June 13, 2023 Share #11 Posted June 13, 2023 On 6/8/2023 at 12:31 AM, dugby said: Many M users hope for, the SL2-S 24MP BSI sensor in an M body. Not many Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kwesi Posted June 13, 2023 Share #12 Posted June 13, 2023 8 hours ago, Chaemono said: Nope. There is a difference in high ISO color and high ISO pushed shadows noise. Colors of M10 start to look a bit washed out from ISO 3200 and onwards. I shot the M10 next to the LUMIX S1 at high ISO when the latter came out with the same lens and thought, man, I wished that S1 sensor were in the M. M10 basically has the same sensor as M Typ 240. Leica just fixed the banding in pushed shadows noise at high ISO. Nothing wrong with it, but those 24 MP BSI FF sensors rock at high ISO. Plus, an M with its current form factor will never get IBIS with a mechanical shutter. Just out of curiosity would you be able to get similar results with the M11 at 36mp or does it have to be a native 24mp BSI sensor? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaemono Posted June 14, 2023 Author Share #13 Posted June 14, 2023 vor 4 Stunden schrieb Kwesi: Just out of curiosity would you be able to get similar results with the M11 at 36mp or does it have to be a native 24mp BSI sensor? I don‘t know. At some point I may borrow an M11 and compare with the S5 II and SL2-S. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dante Posted June 14, 2023 Share #14 Posted June 14, 2023 May you all live to see the Leica you wish for every time a new one comes out. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaemono Posted June 14, 2023 Author Share #15 Posted June 14, 2023 (edited) When the SL2 came out, it was obvious that a 24 MP version was needed. There was bitching and moaning about the inferior high ISO pushed shadows noise with that 47 MP sensor in the threads on this forum. The camera had IBIS but it was an FSI sensor. Now it‘s obvious again, IMO. The M11 has a BSI sensor but 60 MP still creates quite a bit of noise in high ISO pushed shadows AND the M has no IBIS. Edited June 14, 2023 by Chaemono Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
raizans Posted June 14, 2023 Share #16 Posted June 14, 2023 Remove the brightness sensor. No red dot. Top plate engraving. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Photoworks Posted June 14, 2023 Share #17 Posted June 14, 2023 10 hours ago, Chaemono said: When the SL2 came out, it was obvious that a 24 MP version was needed. There was bitching and moaning about the inferior high ISO pushed shadows noise with that 47 MP sensor in the threads on this forum. The camera had IBIS but it was an FSI sensor. Now it‘s obvious again, IMO. The M11 has a BSI sensor but 60 MP still creates quite a bit of noise in high ISO pushed shadows AND the M has no IBIS. said the person that disses the M11 without trying it. I bet on sales the SL2 is a more successful camera than SL2s 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henners Posted June 14, 2023 Share #18 Posted June 14, 2023 Shutter metering for the user to set the exposure which then swaps to sensor metering as the photo is being taken to do any minor adjustments. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaemono Posted June 14, 2023 Author Share #19 Posted June 14, 2023 In the first linke here are two with the same lens, one with the M10-P (24 MP FSI sensor) and the other with the S1 (24 MP BSI sensor) at ISO 3200. They can be downloaded. If I remember correctly, the M10-P picture required some adjustments in post to try to match the more effortless S1 ISO 3200 output and the S1 colors still looked better. https://chaemono.smugmug.com/Folder-2/S1-vs-M10/ @Photoworks I tried SL2 vs. α7R IV which has a 60 MP BSI sensor, I understand different implementation than in the M11, at ISO 100 for pushed shadows noise and also α7R IV at ISO 3200 for pushed shadows noise (SL2 not shown at ISO 3200). ISO 3200 pushed shadows noise is a breeze for that 60 MP BSI sensor (SL2 did much better at ISO 100 than the Sony) but ISO 12500 starts to become a bit problematic. I had borrowed the Sony. They are somewhere in here: https://www.smugmug.com/gallery/n-tzdLng/ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Photoworks Posted June 14, 2023 Share #20 Posted June 14, 2023 If the test leads you to understand the cameras I am all for it. But in real life, you need to what the camera processing and sensor show the best results. in any case, the heavy underexposure of the M10 needed to preserve highlight is not necessarily beneficial for other cameras like the SL2 or Sony. I think if you push processing to 100 highlights and shadow recovery the image is not natural or reality. Pulling back on that will result in sell noise in the shadows and grey highlights. I like to use Capture One as it has a more natural recovery roll-off. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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