Learner Posted November 8, 2007 Share #1 Â Posted November 8, 2007 Advertisement (gone after registration) In a recent post entitled "More desperate promotions from Leica UK", somebody commented: Â "The Digilux three is an Oly E-330, which you can buy for around $550 with a two lens kit. Why would you buy the same thing with a crippled live view for a thousand dollars more?" Â ------ Â Is the D3 live view crippled? In what sense? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted November 8, 2007 Posted November 8, 2007 Hi Learner, Take a look here Digilux 3: Crippled live view??. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
goodbokeh Posted November 8, 2007 Share #2  Posted November 8, 2007 Hi Learner  No, the D3 does not have a crippled Live View as the Troll describes. The Olympus E330 has a unique Live View offering of two modes; Mode "A" which uses a separate 5mp sensor housed in the pentamirror assembly for continuous Live View and Mode "B" which comes directly from the 7.5mp sensor and offers a 100% accurate but a slower operating Live View. The D3 offers only Mode B which as a side benefit allows for the more attractive linear top design compared to the E330's hunchback top.  Mode B is also what other cameras offer, the new Lumix L10 being the state of the art Mode B with contrast detecting autofocus (with two new Leica D lenses) which speeds things up a bit.  Check out the Camera Labs L1 video review for a nice description of how mode B Live View works:  Panasonic Lumix DMC-L1 full review Cameralabs video tour Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rjans Posted November 8, 2007 Share #3 Â Posted November 8, 2007 The Oly 330 has two live view modes: mode A is with autofocus and you see the image through a second sensor. It allowes you to use the camera like a compact. However, the live view is not a full 100 % but you get something of a 93 % view. Mode B uses the image recording sensor of the camera but you do not have constant autofocus. It is possible to use the autofocus but it is slower. It is very usefull for static subjects and of coarse you can manually focus because the subject on which you want to focus can be enlarged. In live view mode B you have a 100 % view of the image. Also to mention is that the lcd of the Oly is not fixed but can be set in another position like horizontaly. The lcd of the D3 is in a fixed position. You may find some more technical information about the view modes of the Oly on their website or others. I don't use the live view very much and depending on the subject I choose mode A or B. Â It does not mean I do not like the D3. I happen to like its design and the lens is absolute top quality. The only problem was its pricing. So I ended up with the Oly as my first dslr. I payed less for the Oly + 14-42 lens (starts only at f 3.5) than for my D-Lux3. Â Best Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rjans Posted November 8, 2007 Share #4  Posted November 8, 2007 Hi Learner The D3 offers only Mode B which as a side benefit allows for the more attractive linear top design compared to the E330's hunchback top.  /QUOTE]  I agree, the E330 is'nt exactly a beauty. Perhaps I would have bought the D3 if the loyalty bonus was available at time. Think I'll wait until the D4 arrives.  Best Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
goodbokeh Posted November 8, 2007 Share #5  Posted November 8, 2007 Hi rjans  The E330 is fine camera and I'm sure the D4 will be a beauty. I have enjoyed my D3 so much that I just picked up a Lumix L1 kit at Walmart for $998 US. Pretty good price eh? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rjans Posted November 8, 2007 Share #6 Â Posted November 8, 2007 Hi goodbokeh, Â That's a real good price for the L1. I was adding taxes and calculating to Euro's: impossible to find here in Europe. It looks like electronics and comparable equipment are more expensive in Europe than in the USA. Good luck and lots of good pictures with your cameras. Â Best Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FastFashnReloaded Posted November 8, 2007 Share #7 Â Posted November 8, 2007 Advertisement (gone after registration) In a recent post entitled "More desperate promotions from Leica UK", somebody commented:Â "The Digilux three is an Oly E-330, which you can buy for around $550 with a two lens kit. Why would you buy the same thing with a crippled live view for a thousand dollars more?" Â ------ Â Is the D3 live view crippled? In what sense? Â Yes, I said that, and that it does. Live view on the Digilux Three lacks mirror down live view. With the E-330 you have Mode A and B. With one mode you can look thru the VF and have the LCD "repeater" showing the scene as well. You can't do that with the Digilux 3. Â For live view with the D3 the mirror must be up. Â In repeater mode the camera does AF the same way it always does. In Mode B the camera has to lower the mirror to AF. Â Now the D3 has a better control layout, has a better kit lens, but does it justify the price differential? Depends on how much pocket change you have. Personally, if I had the spare cash I'd buy a D3 or PanaLeica L1 because I think the camera is kewl. But, I don't. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dugby Posted November 9, 2007 Share #8 Â Posted November 9, 2007 I'm quite dis-appointed that the Olympus 4/3 designers of live-view didn't take full opportunty of the potential use of live-view. Â Don't get me wrong, I'm no anti-Olympus user, having owned and used OM1n and OM4 for 20+ years....which allowed me to win some photographics awards. Â Live-view should have provided after mirror-lockup, total non-mirror movement for taking a photo, just like in the old days, when one had framed a shot in very low light, and locked the mirror up to provide low vibration and lower mechanical noise shooting. Â I was hoping that live view was going to provide this method of reduced mechanical noise shooting, but...alas.... it the absolute opposite...with all the multiple "up-----down-up-----down" just to get a single shot. Â I shoot my D2 silently in Classical music concertos........ but now I dare not use my L1..for fear that my own daughter would throw me out of the concert whilst she is performing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
audidudi Posted November 10, 2007 Share #9 Â Posted November 10, 2007 I shoot my D2 silently in Classical music concertos........ but now I dare not use my L1..for fear that my own daughter would throw me out of the concert whilst she is performing. Â Now that the value of a used L1 is probably US$7-800 or less (how could it be much more when new ones available for under US$1k?) and I'm seriously considering an E-3 as a replacement/upgrade for my L1 for all my handheld photography needs, I've been thinking about having the mirror assembly removed from mine so I can use it in silent mode, exactly as you (and I) do with our D2/LC1s. Â I see no reason why this wouldn't be possible, as I've verified the shutter will fire and the camera will otherwise function properly without the mirror moving via my use of an adapted Voigtlander 12mm/f5.6 lens, and I don't mind composing on the LCD instead of through the viewfinder. I know the sensor will get hotter and images potentially noisier if it runs all the time, but to date, I haven't found this to be a problem when using my L1 in live-view mode on a tripod. Â Although I'll miss the loss of the D2/LC1's one-stop faster (and remarkable performing) lens, the D3/L1's IS would more than make up for this since I rarely shoot at f2.0 to control DoF but to allow a higher shutter speed, and perhaps best of all, this will allow me to sell both of my failure-prone LC1s while they both still work. Â Am I overlooking anything here or does this seem like a halfway rational idea? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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