M11 arriving Mon/Tue

[Vonnie]

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13 hours ago, Qlan said:

I'm actually one of the people who are experiencing tons of issues: (freezing, red light of death, overexposure, mechanical shutter issue -- you can see my posts, and I tried everything people suggested on the forum) and on 2 different M11s... But still, I recognize that many people don't have issues at all, which is kind of baffling to be honest. So just luck of the draw I guess.

Oh...really sorry to hear that Qlan. I've just read your last post regarding the problems you've experienced. Can you not demand a replacement? Have you had any problems with long exposure prior to this? I've been advised to use a hair scrunchy for long exposure, is that something you'd agree with ?!

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[Vonnie]

7 hours ago, Henners said:

Congrats on the M11, such an awesome camera. Like others have said, just stick an SD card in it. If you have time and want to be slightly cautious then format it in a PC/Mac first using the special SD card formatter software that's free online. Either way, the worst that will happen is it might lock up at some point while shooting and you'll have to pull the battery. Or your burst speed might not be that fast but you might not even really notice. Have fun!

Thanks Henners! I have to admit I did have a slight wobble this morning after reading about Qlans recent problems. My inner voice was telling me to send it back and get an M10R….😬🙈

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[chris7273]

Great

Happy you 🙂 

I have mine since mid January and no freeze. Direct update to last firmware with the Leica Fotos App before taking my first photo or even play in the menus). 

The biggest frustration was to wait the first full charge for the battery 🙂 

I use good Sandisk Extreme Pro (200Mb/s read speed) and will not upgrade to last generation because I am "slow" photographer (I never use "burst" mode).

What lens did you choose ? 

Edited March 1, 2023 by chris7273

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14 minutes ago, chris7273 said:

Great

Happy you 🙂 

I have mine since mid January and no freeze. Direct update to last firmware with the Leica Fotos App before taking my first photo or even play in the menus). 

The biggest frustration was to wait the first full charge for the battery 🙂 

I use good Sandisk Extreme Pro (200Mb/s read speed) and will not upgrade to last generation because I am "slow" photographer (I never use "burst" mode).

What lens did you choose ? 

Thanks Chris! That’s the hardest part for me too …….I’ve had to leave mine at home charging and I won’t get back til late.  The Leica store had an ex display summicron 50 f2 Asph, they offered me a decent discount so I chose that to start with. What lens did you decide to get? 

[Qlan]

11 hours ago, Vonnie said:

Oh...really sorry to hear that Qlan. I've just read your last post regarding the problems you've experienced. Can you not demand a replacement? Have you had any problems with long exposure prior to this? I've been advised to use a hair scrunchy for long exposure, is that something you'd agree with ?!

I'm already past the dealer return window for my camera. I contacted Leica, and they directed me to the NJ repair center without providing me a replacement or loaner. I'm not satisfied with sending them my camera and having to wait months to get it repaired for a 45-day old camera which is already a replacement (from my dealer). But I have a contact at Leica SF and they are trying to get me a replacement/loaner. We'll see if that pans out.

Don't worry about it, just enjoy your camera and only worry when/if you start getting issues.

About long exposure, it's not like I use long exposure very often, so I don't know if the issue was present since the beginning or not. The first night, everything was working without issues, only starting on the second night. Btw, I found that cleaning the lens detection sensor mitigates the issue... I think the lens detection sensor is seriously bugged (I suspect it is the cause of most of my freezes as well). Apparently Leica is releasing a new firmware tomorrow specifically targeting freezes, so maybe that's fixed (or improved). Fingers crossed.

Edited March 1, 2023 by Qlan

[SJH]

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Congratulations on your new camera, I’ve had my M11 since January and no issues or freezes. In fact it’s been more reliable in that area than both my M10R BP and M10M but again they’ve only had a few freeze ups so nothing major at all. Just normal complex electronics. 

Just as tip whilst most people format their SD cards in camera remember to also format the internal memory, most people forget about this  

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21 minutes ago, SJH said:

Congratulations on your new camera, I’ve had my M11 since January and no issues or freezes. In fact it’s been more reliable in that area than both my M10R BP and M10M but again they’ve only had a few freeze ups so nothing major at all. Just normal complex electronics. 

Just as tip whilst most people format their SD cards in camera remember to also format the internal memory, most people forget about this  

Thanks SJH, appreciate the tip too! I've done a few test shots and I have to say it feels better than I could ever have imagined...love it!

[DadDadDaddyo]

Congratulations on your new camera!

After undergoing a grand mal dither over the decision between an M11 and an M10-R, I finally jumped on a snap opportunity and purchased a very slightly used M11 from Adorama. It arrived about a week ago. 

Upgrade to firmware 1.6 via the Fotos app was effortless. The camera is functioning beautifully. 

I did experience one (1) freeze. On reflection, it occurred under the exact same conditions in which I've experienced a freeze or two from my M10M, that is, in a hurry after switching on the camera, I hit the Menu button before the red light had gone out. The camera froze and became unresponsive. Popping out the battery immediately corrected it, and taking a breath after switching in before jabbing buttons has so far prevented a repeat. 

Through all of this, I've come down alongside those who feel the M11 freezing issue is probably overblown, and probably well on its way to resolution. Having arrived at this conclusion, it was easy to make the snap decision to buy when a very attractively priced used body popped up on Adorama. At the crucial moment, it was an easy decision. 

I think we're seeing consequences of the teapot tempest in recent used prices on the M11, as well as in prices on the M10-R. In that respect, I'm glad I held off, was patient, and permitted my dither to do its thing. 

This camera will be with me for years. It has effortlessly filled a spot between my beloved M10M and my less-frequently-used GFX100S. I am without doubts or second-guessing. In all respects, it feels as if this was the right outcome, for me, at least. 

Best wishes, all...

[Herr Barnack]

20 hours ago, Qlan said:

I'm already past the dealer return window for my camera. I contacted Leica, and they directed me to the NJ repair center without providing me a replacement or loaner. I'm not satisfied with sending them my camera and having to wait months to get it repaired for a 45-day old camera which is already a replacement (from my dealer). But I have a contact at Leica SF and they are trying to get me a replacement/loaner. We'll see if that pans out.

Don't worry about it, just enjoy your camera and only worry when/if you start getting issues.

About long exposure, it's not like I use long exposure very often, so I don't know if the issue was present since the beginning or not. The first night, everything was working without issues, only starting on the second night. Btw, I found that cleaning the lens detection sensor mitigates the issue... I think the lens detection sensor is seriously bugged (I suspect it is the cause of most of my freezes as well). Apparently Leica is releasing a new firmware tomorrow specifically targeting freezes, so maybe that's fixed (or improved). Fingers crossed.

@Qlan  Maybe this will help...

 

[chris7273]

On 3/1/2023 at 6:32 PM, Vonnie said:

Thanks Chris! That’s the hardest part for me too …….I’ve had to leave mine at home charging and I won’t get back til late.  The Leica store had an ex display summicron 50 f2 Asph, they offered me a decent discount so I chose that to start with. What lens did you decide to get? 

I bought the Summilux 35 FLE V2. Yolo for my 50 year birthday 🙂 

I have an old Summicron 50 from my late grandfather. Otherwise I would have also opted for the Summicron 50 as my prime lens. 
 

[Vonnie]

23 hours ago, chris7273 said:

I bought the Summilux 35 FLE V2. Yolo for my 50 year birthday 🙂 

I have an old Summicron 50 from my late grandfather. Otherwise I would have also opted for the Summicron 50 as my prime lens. 
 

Nice! I was debating between the Summilux & Summicron. I'd love to get some older lenses further down the line. 

[Vonnie]

On 3/2/2023 at 12:44 AM, DadDadDaddyo said:

Congratulations on your new camera!

After undergoing a grand mal dither over the decision between an M11 and an M10-R, I finally jumped on a snap opportunity and purchased a very slightly used M11 from Adorama. It arrived about a week ago. 

Upgrade to firmware 1.6 via the Fotos app was effortless. The camera is functioning beautifully. 

I did experience one (1) freeze. On reflection, it occurred under the exact same conditions in which I've experienced a freeze or two from my M10M, that is, in a hurry after switching on the camera, I hit the Menu button before the red light had gone out. The camera froze and became unresponsive. Popping out the battery immediately corrected it, and taking a breath after switching in before jabbing buttons has so far prevented a repeat. 

Through all of this, I've come down alongside those who feel the M11 freezing issue is probably overblown, and probably well on its way to resolution. Having arrived at this conclusion, it was easy to make the snap decision to buy when a very attractively priced used body popped up on Adorama. At the crucial moment, it was an easy decision. 

I think we're seeing consequences of the teapot tempest in recent used prices on the M11, as well as in prices on the M10-R. In that respect, I'm glad I held off, was patient, and permitted my dither to do its thing. 

This camera will be with me for years. It has effortlessly filled a spot between my beloved M10M and my less-frequently-used GFX100S. I am without doubts or second-guessing. In all respects, it feels as if this was the right outcome, for me, at least. 

Best wishes, all...

Thanks DadDadDaddyo

I've not been able to spend as much time with it as I would have liked but so far my experience has been fantastic. To be honest I'm sure I would have been equally happy with the M10R or any Leica for that matter.  The M11 is a beautifully crafted piece of art and such a joy to use. I would have bought it a lot sooner had I not watched or read so many reviews. There are pros and cons to every camera, some of the cons I have found to be negligible for my style of photography and for now there is absolutely nothing I would change about the M11. 

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On 3/1/2023 at 9:00 PM, Vonnie said:

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I used those soft shutter releases on my fujis but Leica’s shutter button’s feel is really nice. The soft shutter button ruins it. I put one once for about 30 seconds and ripped it right off. 

hopefully you won’t join the rest of the people with problems and yours will be fine. 

Edited March 4, 2023 by Leitz.

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7 hours ago, Vonnie said:

Nice! I was debating between the Summilux & Summicron. I'd love to get some older lenses further down the line. 

As long as the old lenses are clean, with no haze, it’s the magic of the M system. 
even the small and simple elmar 50 3.5 gives pleasant images. 
here the 60 years old summicron at f/2.8 during a dinner where a dear friend of mine and a first class chef was working for us as privileged guests 🙂

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Edited March 4, 2023 by chris7273

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5 hours ago, Leitz. said:

I used those soft shutter releases on my fujis but Leica’s shutter button’s feel is really nice. The soft shutter button ruins it. I put one once for about 30 seconds and ripped it right off. 

hopefully you won’t join the rest of the people with problems and yours will be fine. 

They were a gift from the Leica store, I haven't tried them yet. I bought a visoflex too but haven't found a need to use it yet. I'm having a Leica & me day tomorrow so I'll try them out then. 

[SteveHicks]

I have had my M11 now for a couple of months shooting with 35mm and 50mm Summilux, the 75mm APO Summicron, and an older 21mm Elmarit.   I took the leap and sent off my $9K to Leica and while I was waiting for the camera arrive, came back to this forum after a long hiatus to discover the Freezing issue being discussed at length.   So I was very worried.

I am happy to report that I have made several hundred images and can report no issues with this camera.  I have been testing it along side my Hasselblad J5D 50c and can happily report that the images on the leica hold up very well in comparison.  

I feel badly for those who have invested in the M11 and have experienced problems, but I for one, am a very happy camper.

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59 minutes ago, chris7273 said:

As long as the old lenses are clean, with no haze, it’s the magic of the M system. 
even the small and simple elmar 50 3.5 gives pleasant images. 
here the 60 years old summicron at f/2.8 during a dinner where a dear friend of mine and a first class chef was working for us as privileged guests 🙂

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Gorgeous!  I bought a Helios 44m for my Canon a few years back...I adored some of the images it produced. Modern cameras & lenses create such fantastic quality images but older lenses, with their imperfections, can create beautiful, unique images. 

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8 minutes ago, SteveHicks said:

I have had my M11 now for a couple of months shooting with 35mm and 50mm Summilux, the 75mm APO Summicron, and an older 21mm Elmarit.   I took the leap and sent off my $9K to Leica and while I was waiting for the camera arrive, came back to this forum after a long hiatus to discover the Freezing issue being discussed at length.   So I was very worried.

I am happy to report that I have made several hundred images and can report no issues with this camera.  I have been testing it along side my Hasselblad J5D 50c and can happily report that the images on the leica hold up very well in comparison.  

I feel badly for those who have invested in the M11 and have experienced problems, but I for one, am a very happy camper.

Glad to hear that Steve! I agree,  it's sad that some people are still experiencing issues and I hope Leica resolve these satisfactorily.  I spoke to the guy in the Leica shop and he assured me that Leica had resolved a lot of the issues with the latest firmware updates and also recommended certain SD cards. I have to admit that I experienced a couple of freezes at the very beginning but it was my fault, I forgot to switch the LV off using the viewfinder 😉