SL3 Rumors

[Simone_DF]

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11 minutes ago, LBJ2 said:

I agree. It is all relative and your comment about "compared to the Leica S system" might be why Leica was comfortable to launch a brand new mirrorless system with the ginormous 24-90..F4 which IMO may have resulted in scarring the hell out of the forums and the SL system branded as big and heavy... forever. Even though like you, when I shoot the SL2 APO primes in some very active situations for long periods of time, I wonder why all the forum hoopla. 

Personally, I also do a lot of BIF/Birding on some very popular nature trails. I am accustomed to seeing many gray-beards lugging around very large Nikon DSLRs + Super Teles and large heavy duty sticks plus their packs. These trails go on and on and on--not for the light hearted.. I haven't seen any one drop yet 🤞🏼Seems nobody told these guys their kits are too big and heavy. 

And yet no one bought the S1Rs, and Panasonic sales were a disaster until the smaller S5 was launched. 
Not everyone shoots birds or wildlife, and while these people are comfortable carrying big lenses like the Gigantilux, the rest of the market has gone in the opposite direction. 

[LBJ2]

2 hours ago, Simone_DF said:

And yet no one bought the S1Rs, and Panasonic sales were a disaster until the smaller S5 was launched. 
Not everyone shoots birds or wildlife, and while these people are comfortable carrying big lenses like the Gigantilux, the rest of the market has gone in the opposite direction. 

It is a burden that we choose to carry or not ....😎

Edited January 30, 2024 by LBJ2

[hdmesa]

5 hours ago, helged said:

...If SL3 is built on the sensor in Q3 and M11, with some tweaks, and with phase detect embedded:

- Does this imply the same rolling shutter 'problem' (ie, slow sensor read out) as with Q3/M11?

Yes. It would take a completely new sensor to increase readout speed.

5 hours ago, helged said:

- Similar high light clipping and shadow recovery/noise characteristics? 

What highlight clipping? Are you confusing this with the SL2/Q2 sensor?

Shadow recover and noise quality should be slightly better due to better processing power available in a larger body – similar to how the SL2 sensor output is slightly more refined over the Q2 output even though they share sensor tech.

5 hours ago, helged said:

- Similar longest shutter speed for low light/night photography? 

This seems more like a limitation of the M11/Q3 processing power, heat management, and firmware.

5 hours ago, helged said:

I guess yes to the above. Personally, I would like to see faster sensor read out (to make the electronic shutter even more useful), and to have a sensor at least as good in low light as SL2-S. The body I am waiting for is possibly SL3-S, not SL3... Actually, of the three SL-body incarnations, I like SL2-S most.

I would love to see these things, too, and I hope we're pleasantly surprised to see them use the stacked sensor from the A1 instead of the sensor from the M11/Q3/A7R5. Given the performance value of Nikon's Z8/9, it will be a tough pill to swallow to see Leica's flagship using a sensor with such slow readout speed.

What I think may happen is Leica will use the slow 60mp sensor in the SL3, and they will use a lower-resolution stacked sensor in the SL3-S. The problem with that approach is buyers now expect to get both high resolution and speed at this price point.

[Planetwide]

8 hours ago, BernardC said:

Interesting comment about the RF 25-105/2.8. Can you describe how it is better? Everything I've seen indicates that it's very good, as you would expect from the price, huge size/weight, and the fact that it comes from one of the great optical houses, but nothing substantive beyond that. I think it's a good thing if Canon has cracked the mid-range zoom problem. Their previous efforts were sub-par optically, even though they delivered on the build-quality front. Is it as good as their primes?

The Canon has a flatter field, less curvature of the focus plane, especially at 24mm. It is also a constant F2.8, which is advantageous as the focal length increases. Bokeh is smoother, and less distracting than the Leica at F4.0/90mm. It's a stop faster, and therefore better for portraiture.  The canon is also sharper into the corners. My Leica 24-90mm was serviced/benchmarked by Leica Germany, this past summer - FYI

It should be remembered that the Leica 24-90mm was introduced in 2015, and today, still remains an exceptional zoom lens. Both lenses rely on computational corrections to correct images. The Canon shoots wider than 24mm, and then crops with minor corrections. The Leica simply corrects. Obviously, the look is different, and that is to be expected.

[Planetwide]

4 hours ago, Simone_DF said:

And yet no one bought the S1Rs, and Panasonic sales were a disaster until the smaller S5 was launched. 
Not everyone shoots birds or wildlife, and while these people are comfortable carrying big lenses like the Gigantilux, the rest of the market has gone in the opposite direction. 

I personally, had 3 S1r's pass through my hands. They were back ups to my SL2/SL2s. Overall, I put just under 10,000 frames on them. It was a very good camera, one that I enjoyed using. I found the camera very Nikon like, with buttons instead of menu's and a flip up screen. For me, I preferred the haptics of the S1r to the SL2, it was just faster to use. I preferred the colours from the SL2. But, since I shoot RAW, matching files was relatively easy, especially when you consider, that it was the same sensor in both camera's.

I have no doubt that the replacement will be every bit as good, and an excellent back up for a SL3.

Edited January 31, 2024 by Planetwide

[Chaemono]

Am 30.1.2024 um 21:03 schrieb Simone_DF:

I don't know, Leica has invested in pushing the video side of the SL2-S, and the 60mp sensor is, at best, just ok for video because of the rolling shutter.

I hope Leica will release a S variant with the 33mp sensor

They could try to BS everyone with that triple resolution of 60, 36, 18 MP in one camera and be done with just the SL3, even for video.

[LBJ2]

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24 minutes ago, Chaemono said:

They could try to BS everyone with that triple resolution of 60, 36, 18 MP in one camera and be done with just the SL3, even for video.

Sign me up for the Triple Resolution feature 60,36.18MP on the SL3! I really like and use this feature on the M11 and similar feature on the Sony A1 camera too. Very practical and useful IMO. 

Not that I have ever found 18 or 36MP IQ benefit over the full 60MP file, but the smaller file sizes do have operational and storage benefits. 

[Simone_DF]

11 hours ago, Chaemono said:

They could try to BS everyone with that triple resolution of 60, 36, 18 MP in one camera and be done with just the SL3, even for video.

Then they can keep it, especially at that price point.

[Manicouagan1]

The variation of rumored specs for the SL3 seem to have converged to a pretty straightforward upgrade of the SL2.    

• The Leica SL3 will use the same 60MP sensor as the M11/Q3
• There will be a new body that is only a bit smaller than the current SL2
• 6.5 stops  image stabilization
• Phase detection AF
• 9fps continuous shooting
• Supports cropped 8K/30p and 4K/60p + full-frame & S35 C4K/30p
• The camera is already being tested in the field

For my uses of the SL2 the improved sensor with better signal to noise ration making it generally usable at Iso 3200, 6400 and 12,800 and better than adequate below 6400 allows use of my Sigma 15-600 with shutter speeds of 1/2000 or maybe more.   The improved autofocus with phase detection is expected to improve images with rapidly moving subjects.    As an old man with a tremor, improved image stabilization is a big help in dimly lit indoor photography.    I look forward to reading reports that the real performance is as encouraging as the rumored specs.  An order will replaced shorty thereafter. 

[trickness]

2 hours ago, Manicouagan1 said:

The variation of rumored specs for the SL3 seem to have converged to a pretty straightforward upgrade of the SL2.    

• The Leica SL3 will use the same 60MP sensor as the M11/Q3
• There will be a new body that is only a bit smaller than the current SL2
• 6.5 stops  image stabilization
• Phase detection AF
• 9fps continuous shooting
• Supports cropped 8K/30p and 4K/60p + full-frame & S35 C4K/30p
• The camera is already being tested in the field

For my uses of the SL2 the improved sensor with better signal to noise ration making it generally usable at Iso 3200, 6400 and 12,800 and better than adequate below 6400 allows use of my Sigma 15-600 with shutter speeds of 1/2000 or maybe more.   The improved autofocus with phase detection is expected to improve images with rapidly moving subjects.    As an old man with a tremor, improved image stabilization is a big help in dimly lit indoor photography.    I look forward to reading reports that the real performance is as encouraging as the rumored specs.  An order will replaced shorty thereafter. 

Can't see it not having internal memory or a flip screen - guess we'll see

[Ken Abrahams]

"We (I) dont need no flip screen around here" But when framing low shots it would save my knees painfully pressing into gravel and other rock. 

K

[LeicaR10]

Ken,  Leica just started selling a new product....Leica Knee Pads....I got mine in Sydney...work like a charm.  Don't need no stinking flip screen now....LOL.  r/ Mark

[Ken Abrahams]

6 hours ago, LeicaR10 said:

Ken,  Leica just started selling a new product....Leica Knee Pads....I got mine in Sydney...work like a charm.  Don't need no stinking flip screen now....LOL.  r/ Mark

That's unreal and far out there Mark. What a coincidence, I had no idea, literally none. I will look in accessories for the product. Are you joking?

Ken 

Edited February 10, 2024 by Ken Abrahams

[LeicaR10]

Ken,  It was my American/Aussie humor...yes, I was joking about the Leica knee pads.  But I do use a pair of knee pads I got in a hardware store when I am out in the desert or rocks.  At 70 my knees are not that of a 20 year old.   r/ Mark

[tomasis7]

49 minutes ago, Ken Abrahams said:

That's unreal and far out there Mark. What a coincidence, I had no idea, literally none. I will look in accessories for the product. Are you joking?

Ken 

[LBJ2]

Not the usual source when thinking about Leica rumors. Another rumor for a March 8 +/- a day, SL3 announcement and he says $7000 USD. Oh and this rumor mentions CFExpress :

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[BernardC]

14 hours ago, Manicouagan1 said:

The variation of rumored specs for the SL3 seem to have converged to a pretty straightforward upgrade of the SL2.

I think everyone is repeating the same rumour, and claiming it as their own. It's probably considered bad form to write "I heard this from someone who read it on LeicaRumors."

One thing about the claimed specs: how can it have the same sensor as the M11 and Q3 when those two cameras don't use the same sensor?

It also tells us nothing about real-world IQ. We expect that it will ratchet-up the ISO, AF, etc. New cameras almost always do. What really matters is how the images look when you try to get the best out of them in post.

[LBJ2]

I would very much like internal memory on the SL3, but also CFexpress would be very good too. High resolution DNG files from the SL3 AND fast write performance. Yes please. 

[Pelu2010]

4 hours ago, LeicaR10 said:

Ken,  It was my American/Aussie humor...yes, I was joking about the Leica knee pads.  But I do use a pair of knee pads I got in a hardware store when I am out in the desert or rocks.  At 70 my knees are not that of a 20 year old.   r/ Mark

I use motorbike trousers. They come with knee protection and look stupid. So people don’t take me to seriously. 😀

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[LBJ2]

My SL3 wish list includes:

• No DFD EVF wobble in AFC mode or in video footage (Hybrid PDAF will help with this)
• Faster sensor scan speed for much less jello for those us that feel it is our right to go Noctilux-Topless in public 
• Higher resolution EVF
• Larger, faster buffer, (CFexpress option will help with this) 
• I don't care about current size/weight but do care if the SL3 is too much smaller *Hoping SL3-S this time "S" stands for SMALL body for those that need smallest, lightest weight Leica EVF camera to adapt M lenses 
• Tripple Resolution (I do so appreciate this feature in the M11)
• Internal memory 256GB or more
• Add HEIF format format to DNG/JPG for one day in the future when the internet and photography forums FINALLY allow the ability to post HEIF files 
• USB 3.1 Gen 2 ( up to 10Gbps) 
• Faster Wifi and Bluetooth 
• Access to Fotos app Leica Looks 
• More advanced JPG colors adjustment specifically in-camera 
• The Leica Fotos app continues to come a long way both in performance and features. Currently one of the better Camera Apps out there IMO. Please keep evolving 
• No more buttons or dials, but maybe one more is okay, but do make sure the joy stick can punch in to magnify MF with M-Lens ( or else 😅) 
• Better power management so the new batteries last even longer
• Oh and please keep firmware updating the SL2 cameras...thank you. 

Edited February 10, 2024 by LBJ2