Leicapasion Posted January 9, 2023 Share #1 Posted January 9, 2023 Advertisement (gone after registration) Can anyone provide information on this adapter? Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/360298-binoculars-adapter/?do=findComment&comment=4635282'>More sharing options...
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willeica Posted January 9, 2023 Share #2 Posted January 9, 2023 2 hours ago, Leicapasion said: Can anyone provide information on this adapter? Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! I presume that this is from item no 42 in Wilhelm Albert's diary. He did not identify the part, but the daye of the image was 24.11.39. However, the following item was sold at Westlicht (now Leitz) in 2014. I was at the auction which was held in the staff canteen in Wetzlar and, hence, it has stuck in my memory. The item you are interested in was described just as a 'special ocular adaptor' for photography using the 5cm Elmar lens, as below. "Unique German military panoramic outfit, containing grey Leica IIIcK W.H. no. 481491 (points present, white “K“ on curtain) with Elmar 5cm f/3.5 lens W.H. no.583862, both delivered to Berlin on 03.02.44 as LOOPN/Elmar “W.H.“ with shipment no. 9773. With grey Hektor 13,5 cm lens f/4.5 no. 576078, delivered to Berlin on 04.09.44 with shipment number 9778 and special gray reversed VIOOH finder W.H. with reticle for 13,5 cm, mounted on matching woodenLeitz tripod with aiming circle “beh“. Including a Leitz scissor-telescope S.F.14 Z. Gi. with special ocular adaptor for photography with the 5cm Elmar through the telescope. As a complete outfit with case only one other example is known to exist." I suspect that is as much information that you will get about this item. The large item would normally have used as a binocular trench periscope and not for photography. William 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
willeica Posted January 9, 2023 Share #3 Posted January 9, 2023 Side view of adaptor. See my previous post. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! William Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! William ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/360298-binoculars-adapter/?do=findComment&comment=4635503'>More sharing options...
alan mcfall Posted January 10, 2023 Share #4 Posted January 10, 2023 ''' Leica IIIcK W.H. no. 481491""" This does not look like a correct serial for a W.H. camera, the photo is hard to see, but looks like 3914?7 which would be in the known W.H. reports. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
alan mcfall Posted January 10, 2023 Share #5 Posted January 10, 2023 My Scherenfernrohr or "scissor" binoculars are also the model S.F. 14 Z. Gi, which I think is the 14th version and the Z identifies a Zeiss design, many other optic firms may have reproduced this design for the Heer, the beh code would be the one for Leitz, the Gi is the Gitterplatte (graticule), The serial on mine is 6087, but I have not been able to relate that to a production date. The small circle, likely originally blue ( hellblaue Kreisflache) indicating the Vakuumfelt 1416 cold weather grease. Two references of interest might be, if you don't already have them: Hans Seeger.... Fernglaser und Fernrohre, 1996 Taschenbuch fur den Winterkrieg, handbook of August 5, 1942 In all of this old history, I can find no mention or photo of an adapter for camera use by Zeiss or Leitz. Perhaps Mr. Seeger or other millitary knowledgeable forum member can help. The second photo shows an outfit including rain tubes and the interesting "tree" mounting spike. Did Leitz also supply the accessories like these and the carrying case, or just the binoculars and Jena or Berlin put together the complete apparatus? Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/360298-binoculars-adapter/?do=findComment&comment=4635643'>More sharing options...
willeica Posted January 10, 2023 Share #6 Posted January 10, 2023 (edited) 6 hours ago, alan mcfall said: ''' Leica IIIcK W.H. no. 481491""" This does not look like a correct serial for a W.H. camera, the photo is hard to see, but looks like 3914?7 which would be in the known W.H. reports. Alan, this was sold in Leica HQ in front of a Who’s Who of Leica experts at the opening of the new facility in 2014. Jim and Lars and others were there. William Edited January 10, 2023 by willeica Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
willeica Posted January 10, 2023 Share #7 Posted January 10, 2023 (edited) Advertisement (gone after registration) 5 hours ago, alan mcfall said: My Scherenfernrohr or "scissor" binoculars are also the model S.F. 14 Z. Gi, which I think is the 14th version and the Z identifies a Zeiss design, many other optic firms may have reproduced this design for the Heer, the beh code would be the one for Leitz, the Gi is the Gitterplatte (graticule), The serial on mine is 6087, but I have not been able to relate that to a production date. The small circle, likely originally blue ( hellblaue Kreisflache) indicating the Vakuumfelt 1416 cold weather grease. Two references of interest might be, if you don't already have them: Hans Seeger.... Fernglaser und Fernrohre, 1996 Taschenbuch fur den Winterkrieg, handbook of August 5, 1942 In all of this old history, I can find no mention or photo of an adapter for camera use by Zeiss or Leitz. Perhaps Mr. Seeger or other millitary knowledgeable forum member can help. The second photo shows an outfit including rain tubes and the interesting "tree" mounting spike. Did Leitz also supply the accessories like these and the carrying case, or just the binoculars and Jena or Berlin put together the complete apparatus? Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! The only other reference to the adaptor I know is the photo which Albert, who had been Barnack’s right hand man, took in the Leitz Workshops in 1939 and which is in the book published by the German Historica Society, as I mentioned already. The item auctioned in 2014 had been in the collection of the late Dr Luigi Cane who produced the most comprehensive list of military Leicas for the German Historica Society. He may have picked this up while researching the book with the list at Leitz HQ. Most photos of this item show it being used by infantrymen without a camera. William Edited January 10, 2023 by willeica 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jankap Posted January 10, 2023 Share #8 Posted January 10, 2023 (edited) 8 hours ago, willeica said: The item you are interested in was described just as a 'special ocular adaptor' for photography using the 5cm Elmar lens, as below. Were stereo pictures possible too? With the lens for the stemar adapter? Edited January 10, 2023 by jankap Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
willeica Posted January 10, 2023 Share #9 Posted January 10, 2023 2 minutes ago, jankap said: Were stereo pictures possible too? With the lens for the stemar adapter? Very little is known and I have only seen one historic photo from the workshop and the item which came up for auction in 2014. We don't even have a name for the adaptor. This never reached commercial production of any kind. The binoculars type periscope was a military item and Alan has queried whether this was a design for the military produced by a number of optical companies. I don't have an answer for that. William 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leicapasion Posted January 10, 2023 Author Share #10 Posted January 10, 2023 I need that adapter, to finish this part of my collection. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! 5 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/360298-binoculars-adapter/?do=findComment&comment=4635895'>More sharing options...
willeica Posted January 10, 2023 Share #11 Posted January 10, 2023 (edited) 3 hours ago, Leicapasion said: I need that adapter, to finish this part of my collection. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Lovely. Do you have the tripod? I note that the periscope is marked with a Leitz logo. If you have checked on the auction listing you will see that only one other example is known to have existed. Have you checked with Lars Netopil or Jim Lager? Lars is the more likely to know where one might be, but if he had one it would probably go straight into his auction. I presume that you have seen the full page in Albert's diary which shows with and without photos taken with the rig, possibly in 1939. William Edited January 10, 2023 by willeica 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
alan mcfall Posted January 13, 2023 Share #12 Posted January 13, 2023 On 1/10/2023 at 1:30 AM, willeica said: Alan, this was sold in Leica HQ in front of a Who’s Who of Leica experts at the opening of the new facility in 2014. Jim and Lars and others were there. William I remains that serial 481491 would be a post war, 1949, non grey, non K, non stepper, non W.H. chrome camera. And, the photo of the auction camera is a correct 391xxx, W. H., stepper, grey, K,1943 camera which would be correct for this outfit. Where the serial 481491 came from is unknown. Probably a typo somewhere along the line. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
alan mcfall Posted January 13, 2023 Share #13 Posted January 13, 2023 ''''Do you have the tripod?"""" Probably no help, but reportedly the correct tripod would be the " This wooden construction with the antimagnetic metal parts. introduced in 1931 for bearing circle 31 was adopted as the standard issue for the SF models". per Dr. Seeger. I also do not have the correct tripod. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
willeica Posted January 13, 2023 Share #14 Posted January 13, 2023 (edited) 10 hours ago, alan mcfall said: I remains that serial 481491 would be a post war, 1949, non grey, non K, non stepper, non W.H. chrome camera. And, the photo of the auction camera is a correct 391xxx, W. H., stepper, grey, K,1943 camera which would be correct for this outfit. Where the serial 481491 came from is unknown. Probably a typo somewhere along the line. Definitely a misprint. Well spotted. The correct serial number is as below from the online catalogue. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! With the type of clientele which Westlicht/Leitz has this would have been spotted by most serious buyers. What I have been trying to point out here is that this is a very rare item indeed, so replicating it would be difficult. Another one with a similar tripod, but not with the scissors binocular periscope was unsold at the November 2019 auction - see below for details of the tripod and mount. It might be worthwhile asking Leitz if they know where this one is now. William Edited January 13, 2023 by willeica 2 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! With the type of clientele which Westlicht/Leitz has this would have been spotted by most serious buyers. What I have been trying to point out here is that this is a very rare item indeed, so replicating it would be difficult. Another one with a similar tripod, but not with the scissors binocular periscope was unsold at the November 2019 auction - see below for details of the tripod and mount. It might be worthwhile asking Leitz if they know where this one is now. William ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/360298-binoculars-adapter/?do=findComment&comment=4640347'>More sharing options...
Leicapasion Posted January 13, 2023 Author Share #15 Posted January 13, 2023 11 hours ago, alan mcfall said: '''' ¿Tienes el trípode?"""" Probablemente no sirva de nada, pero según los informes, el trípode correcto sería el " Esta construcción de madera con piezas de metal antimagnéticas. introducida en 1931 para el círculo de apoyo 31 se adoptó como estándar para los modelos SF". según el Dr. Seeger. Tampoco tengo el trípode correcto. I don't have the correct tripod but if there is one I will find it.🤣 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pgk Posted January 13, 2023 Share #16 Posted January 13, 2023 I'm not an expert but that looks like a surveying tripod. The limited movement levelling base suggests that it would have been roughly adjusted using the legs then levelled with the levelling head and would have been awkward for more general photographic use. The levers fitted for the legs also suggest that it was intended to be used quickly! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
willeica Posted January 13, 2023 Share #17 Posted January 13, 2023 2 hours ago, Leicapasion said: I don't have the correct tripod but if there is one I will find it.🤣 I would not doubt you. Paul's suggestion above about a surveying tripod might be worth following up. William Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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