MindsEye Posted October 6, 2007 Share #1 Posted October 6, 2007 Advertisement (gone after registration) Has anyone used a polarizer with a WATE and the Milich adapter? I've never physically seen the Milich adapter but was about to order one in anticipation of receiving a WATE. Then it occurred to me- how would you use a polarizer? From what I understand you want to keep an IR filter in place when using a polarizing filter. Would it be better to get the Leica 67mm adapter and would that setup allow you to stack filters? Of course I'd prefer to use the Milich scenario. Anyone have experience with this or ideas? Thanks! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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robsteve Posted October 6, 2007 Share #2 Posted October 6, 2007 I was just looking at my WATE with the JLM adapter and I don't see any reason why you couldn't unscrew the hood and attach the Leica filter adapter to Johns adapter. You could then mount the polarizer to the Leica adpater, while the UV/IR stayed mounted to the WATE via John's adapter. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dseelig Posted October 6, 2007 Share #3 Posted October 6, 2007 Which leica adapter for the polarizer do you mean for a polarizer ? The 67 adapter or a lica poarizer ? Does it go in the milch adapter what model ploarizer ? Thanks David Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 6, 2007 Share #4 Posted October 6, 2007 Hello Leica have a special holder for a 67 mm polarising filter.The holder is similar to the Leica UV/IR 67mm filter holder except it has a series of 6 slots round the perimeter to allow the user to set the filter in the correct position of rotation (poarisation effect) .I have one but in a differant location so can not give you the part number at the moment.The part number is available on the Leica site. Brian Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
marknorton Posted October 6, 2007 Share #5 Posted October 6, 2007 Keep in mind you will need the Leica WATE filter adapter before you can do anything - it will provide an E-67 filter thread for attaching the polariser to the front. There will not be any vignetting issues on an M8, there might be with film. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
vanhulsenbeek Posted October 6, 2007 Share #6 Posted October 6, 2007 HelloLeica have a special holder for a 67 mm polarising filter.Brian Are you sure that holder has the special thread that goes on the red thread of the WATE? Only the WATE shade and the special 67mm holder for the WATE will screw on the Milich adapter IMHO. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
vanhulsenbeek Posted October 6, 2007 Share #7 Posted October 6, 2007 Advertisement (gone after registration) Has anyone used a polarizer with a WATE and the Milich adapter? Remeber; polarizers can do funny things with wide angle lenses. Attached an unflattering picture of the Taj Mahal with typical polarizer's 'hanging blob" in the sky: the dark area with a parabolic shape inverted and hanging down from the top. OK this is with Canon and 10 mm: I do not use a polarizer with my Leica lenses. Always thought that was unnecesary. Same as using programs with lens corrections: what is there to correct Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/35108-polarizer-with-wate-and-milich-adapter/?do=findComment&comment=370707'>More sharing options...
jlm Posted October 6, 2007 Share #8 Posted October 6, 2007 it might be possible; I'll look into making a threaded adapter to substitute for the hood and accept the polarizer. if it works, you could use it with or without the WATE filter holder. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guy_mancuso Posted October 6, 2007 Share #9 Posted October 6, 2007 Are you sure that holder has the special thread that goes on the red thread of the WATE? Only the WATE shade and the special 67mm holder for the WATE will screw on the Milich adapter IMHO. That is correct it is a special thread. What we need is for John is to make something from the Red thread to at least a 55 mm. i believe the Red thread is 50.5 or 51 MM thread and it is also is a different threading . Or get a 67 holder and go that route and still keep the IR filter on just take the hood section off Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gabriel Posted October 6, 2007 Share #10 Posted October 6, 2007 Just use the Leica Wate filter holder 14473. Screw the Milich adaptor with UV/IR filter and without Wate hood onto lens, then screw Leica filter holder (without plastic insert) onto Milich adaptor, then screw 67mm polariser (I use B&W half bthe price of Leica and works just as well). You can then set the mounted polariser using the slots in the Leica adaptor. Bingo!!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guy_mancuso Posted October 6, 2007 Share #11 Posted October 6, 2007 Actiually was thinking about this yesterday but with a ND filter to slow the shutter down for water effects. I actually have two Milch adapters for my WATE. Could load one up with a 49mm ND. But the most logical for a polarizer since it has to be turned and for the money maybe the 67 holder which is 70 dollars. i had one too Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MindsEye Posted October 6, 2007 Author Share #12 Posted October 6, 2007 it might be possible; I'll look into making a threaded adapter to substitute for the hood and accept the polarizer. if it works, you could use it with or without the WATE filter holder. When you're thinking about this: I don't know if you can do this but what would be really cool is some way to put the polarizer on without having to turn it once you've looked through it and decided on your desired position/amount of polarization- friction fit? I don't have your inventor's brain, John so I won't be hurt if you tell me I'm all wet here. Online I've seen the Kenko RF polarizer kits which uses an index corresponding to a hand held or shoe mounted polarizer but they don't seem to be available in the U.S. and I don't know if it would work with your WATE adapter? I look forward to hear your results. As least as a backup- it sounds like I'll be able to use a polarizer with WATE adapter and Leica 67 adapter Cheers. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gabriel Posted October 6, 2007 Share #13 Posted October 6, 2007 If you use the Leica 67mm wate adaptor it ha 2 slots cut into it so when it has the polariser mounted you can see through the filter and adjust for the desired effect provided you have removed the plastic inner mask. you do not need the Kenko device with this setup. Alternatively Heliopan make a series of polarisers with scale markings on the outer ring where you for the desired effect off camera and use the same setting once the lens is in place. I have used trhese for many years with various Leica RF lenses Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
willemvelthoven Posted October 6, 2007 Share #14 Posted October 6, 2007 Remember; polarizers can do funny things with wide angle lenses. Attached an unflattering picture of the Taj Mahal with typical polarizer's 'hanging blob" in the sky: the dark area with a parabolic shape inverted and hanging down from the top. what is there to correct Hmmm. Perspective? It also takes care of the blue blob problem:-0 better done on the raw file of course... Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/35108-polarizer-with-wate-and-milich-adapter/?do=findComment&comment=371022'>More sharing options...
jlm Posted October 8, 2007 Share #15 Posted October 8, 2007 I picked up the Universal Polarizing M filter at B&H. FYI: it works by setscrewing to an male threaded adapter (39 and 46mm are provided) that you screw into the end of your lens. Position the polarizer frame and tighten the setscrew. you can then swing the polarizer carrier out 180 degrees so it is above the finder and look through it with naked eye, rotating the poalrizer glass in the carrier to get the desired effect. when you swing it back in front of the lens, it retains the effect since it is a 180 degree swing. I will be making a special female threaded adapter that fits onto the WATE and holds the polaraizer glass away from the protruding front optic. Same adapter would thread onto my WATE IR adapter. target price is $50 in black anodized aluminum. jm Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guy_mancuso Posted October 8, 2007 Share #16 Posted October 8, 2007 Man do i see a lot of blue skies being posted soon. Nice idea John Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwelland Posted October 8, 2007 Share #17 Posted October 8, 2007 Wow - WATE & Frankenfinder & Universal Polarizer together - now we're talking serious Frankenstein camera assembly! Seriously though, count me in for a WATE adapter ring - I'm sure I'll use it at some point since I already have the monster Leica polarizer. I think there's a market for some other ring sizes (male) other than the 39/46/49 that Leica produce too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
c6gowin Posted October 9, 2007 Share #18 Posted October 9, 2007 JLM, count me in for a WATE polarizing adapter ring. I bought a Leica Universal Polarizing filter from Guy a while back and would like to use it on the WATE. I have been using it on occasion on the 28 Elmarit and 50 Lux. There were a few instances in Hawaii last week I would have loved to have an adapter for the WATE. Guy, as you have stated before, you don't really need a polarizer to get deep blue skies from Leica glass. However, I find that the polarizer helps to better define the clouds. I need to more carefull tests to see if it is really necessary to remove the IR filter and change the menu setting to lens detection "ON" instead of "On +UV/IR" when using the polarizer. Does anyone know the answer? Mark Gowin Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guy_mancuso Posted October 9, 2007 Share #19 Posted October 9, 2007 That sound correct but I would test it to be sure Mark. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
c6gowin Posted October 9, 2007 Share #20 Posted October 9, 2007 I hope to test it out this weekend on my annual family camping trip in the Smokies. Too bad I couldn't have joined your Yosemite workshop - we could have tested it together. Mark Gowin Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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