j. borger Posted October 5, 2007 Share #1 Posted October 5, 2007 Advertisement (gone after registration) I had a look at the new LFI magazine today. There was a large reportage of colorpictures shot with the M8 and the new summarit lenses in it. All shot at a carnival in Berlin. It ranks very high on my list of the ugliest colorpictures i ever saw in my life. This has probably nothing to do with M8 or the new summarits but with processing and reproduction in the magazine .... i thought the Constino Manos M8 pictures they published some time back looked flat and lifeless .... but these pictures beat them bi a mile. No intention to feed the trolls, i am a hardcore digital photographer and know what the M8 is capable of ......... just wondering and looking for an explanation, because this is bad publicity for the M8 if you ask me.... perhaps it is the new taste in colorpictures:confused: or it is just me disliking them so much:confused: Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted October 5, 2007 Posted October 5, 2007 Hi j. borger, Take a look here New LFI magazine .. new summarits. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
Guest guy_mancuso Posted October 5, 2007 Share #2 Posted October 5, 2007 Han maybe they did not convert them correctly for press. Not sure Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest WPalank Posted October 5, 2007 Share #3 Posted October 5, 2007 Hans, My assumption is that you are in Europe (no address in your profile). Unfortunately, I get LFI in California about 2-3 weeks after you receive your issue, so I can't comment. Having subscribed to the magazine for just 6 months now, I've been pretty impressed with the image print quality. The Oskar Barnack prize winners issue comes immediately to mind. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rosuna Posted October 5, 2007 Share #4 Posted October 5, 2007 Those pictures aren't so bad, only test samples. However, Katharina Behling's pictures deserve the prize for the ugliest photographic reportage ever published at LFI. I cannot understand how and why that kind of work is published in a good photo magazine. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sdai Posted October 5, 2007 Share #5 Posted October 5, 2007 No complain here ... street shooting is what M aficionados always do. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
delander † Posted October 5, 2007 Share #6 Posted October 5, 2007 The colour printing in LFI looks very intense to me, but presumably they are happy with it and it is a reasonable match to colours in the originals. If you look at the dot pattern it lacks the regular pattern of offset-litho printing and resembles the dot pattern of an inkjet printer. It seems that it is printed with special? technology Jeff Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iron Flatline Posted October 5, 2007 Share #7 Posted October 5, 2007 Advertisement (gone after registration) I'm a big LFI fan boy, but I must add my voice to the growing chorus of people who ask "W T F ?" - those images by Behling are just bland and boring. I guess LFI now provides emotional support... "If they're willing to publish that, I must be better than I thought..." But seriously, I prefer to be impressed, and have something to look up to. These images are just completely uninspired. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stunsworth Posted October 5, 2007 Share #8 Posted October 5, 2007 Any of these images online? I always get interested when people start saying someone's photographs are rubbish <grin> Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
j. borger Posted October 5, 2007 Author Share #9 Posted October 5, 2007 I feel relief ....... i am happy i am not the only one not liking that reportage. But it is not the first time pictures shot with the M8 look realy bad compared to other content in the magazine .......... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
j. borger Posted October 5, 2007 Author Share #10 Posted October 5, 2007 Any of these images online? I always get interested when people start saying someone's photographs are rubbish <grin> Now this must be a conspiracy because the lady is a very capable photograher with good taste looking at her website . KATHARINA BEHLING Unfortunately she walked a whole other path shooting that M8 series for LFI ..... here are a few from LFI magazine .... (they look better small on line compard to the prints in the magazine) LFI International Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gesper Posted October 5, 2007 Share #11 Posted October 5, 2007 You can see a couple of shots from the article on the web here LFI International but I don't know how this compares with the print version. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
j. borger Posted October 5, 2007 Author Share #12 Posted October 5, 2007 You can see a couple of shots from the article on the web here LFI International but I don't know how this compares with the print version. Like i said, looks better on-line than in print. Besides these are by far the best from the series .... in all fairness the portrait of the 2 girls and the rabbit is quite good! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest WPalank Posted October 5, 2007 Share #13 Posted October 5, 2007 Besides these are by far the best from the series .... Possibly another case for submitting only the shots you liked and not the entire series to the editorial board. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
woodyspedden Posted October 5, 2007 Share #14 Posted October 5, 2007 I violently agree with those who have dissed these photos. These look a lot like old faded anscochromes to me (showing my age as I bet that most folks on the forum don't remember anscochrome!). I bought my first M8 on November 6th of last year and a second body in March of 07. If there is one single standout feature of the M8 (and the DMR prior to that) it is the outstanding color rendition of the files. I have shot almost 10,000 images with the combined systems (and still have the DMR thank God so I have the ability to shoot tele and macro at the same level of quality as normal vision M8 shots). In all of those shots I have never seen color like that in the LFI issue mentioned. When I look at her portfolio I seem to see similar color issues although not as extreme as the images in LFI. So I am not sure as to why these photos look as they do but I suspect it is a deliberate effect she is seeking and not looking for color accuracy from the raw converter she uses. I have no other explanation but I don't believe for a moment it has anything to do with the Summarit lenses. Although they are simpler spherical designs that would only like affect the distortions compared to lenses with aspheres. I am sure that the coatings used on the various lens elements are the same as those on the aspheres. Just MHO Woody Spedden Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guy_mancuso Posted October 5, 2007 Share #15 Posted October 5, 2007 I love you Woody and agree, the color i get just rocks the house. Not sure what that is all about. All i know is leica has a lot of leica shooters to choose from to show images:D :D Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rosuna Posted October 5, 2007 Share #16 Posted October 5, 2007 Now this must be a conspiracy because the lady is a very capable photograher with good taste looking at her website . KATHARINA BEHLING Unfortunately she walked a whole other path shooting that M8 series for LFI ..... She is a very interesting photographer, no doubt. But the LFI reportage is weird. LFI publishes good and not so good series, and Behling's photographs are not up to her abilities and taste. A shame. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
vanhulsenbeek Posted October 5, 2007 Share #17 Posted October 5, 2007 I suspect it is a deliberate effect she is seeking and not looking for color accuracy from the raw converter she uses. I have no other explanation but I don't believe for a moment it has anything to do with the Summarit lenses. I can not find any proof that the Summarits are involved. The effect look very much like me as an attempt to mimick prints from negatives, as we knew them 10 - 15 years ago. I find it goes well with the subject. Some kind of effect after Raw conversion must have been used. DXO Optics Pro has these effects in its film pack. Have not tried them yet DxO FilmPack - Available film looks A matter of taste, no doubt. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
buj Posted October 5, 2007 Share #18 Posted October 5, 2007 hi, the LFI is printed with "Kristallraster/Diamond Screening" technologicy. buj Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
J_Brittenson Posted October 5, 2007 Share #19 Posted October 5, 2007 in all fairness the portrait of the 2 girls and the rabbit is quite good! I've only seen it online, but I liked that one too. But for most of the other stuff I can't tell if she tries to be amateurish on purpose, as a matter of vantage point. If so I think she tries too hard and misses the target - and really does come out amateurish. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
J_Brittenson Posted October 5, 2007 Share #20 Posted October 5, 2007 I violently agree with those who have dissed these photos. These look a lot like old faded anscochromes to me (showing my age as I bet that most folks on the forum don't remember anscochrome!). This part I'm sure is just an attempt to go back in time to the 1970s for the story. I'm sure a lot of people remember getting snapshot prints that looked like this. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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