Godox XProL II TTL Wireless Flash Trigger for Leica

[sillbeers15]

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3 hours ago, ynp said:

I bought the 24” SMDV version of the Flip than I got the 20” Flip beauty dish and now I am waiting for the 28” Flip with the AD300 pro connector. They are so easy to travel with. My two flips fit into my medium size Suitcase under  the clothes and my two as100pro ‘s are also super compact. Love the SMDV flip softboxes. Just enough for this hobbyist. 

Great to hear that you have +ve experience with the SMDV flip soft boxes! I’m eyeing the 20” beauty dish or 28” Octa to Mount my AD300 via their G1 connector. I believe the Angler flip boxes might be rebranded SMDVs as they look identical in design & sizes. How far can you push the AD300Pro with 20 Beauty Dish? HSS against the sun? I’m unsure, so I hv an AD600Pro on order. But I drag to think about using it outdoors as it weights so much and cannot take slight wind blow without a voice activated light stand.

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1 minute ago, sillbeers15 said:

Great to hear that you have +ve experience with the SMDV flip soft boxes! I’m eyeing the 20” beauty dish or 28” Octa to Mount my AD300 via their G1 connector. I believe the Angler flip boxes might be rebranded SMDVs as they look identical in design & sizes. How far can you push the AD300Pro with 20 Beauty Dish? HSS against the sun? I’m unsure, so I hv an AD600Pro on order. But I drag to think about using it outdoors as it weights so much and cannot take slight wind blow without a voice activated light stand.

Thanks. I know that the Profoto Click and Angler boxes are made by SMDV. They are very reputable manufacturer and I use their colour  correction filter system as well.
 I am also researching the 36” and 44 “ Flip octas by SMDV for Broncolor. They have the system of changeable rings and they are foldable. They have just introduced the Pro version of the bigger boxes with the changeable diffusers. 

I am pretty sure that I want to reduce my lighting stuff to something more manageable and gradually going away from the power packs and heads. And I agree with your notion that the lights became disposable items.

 

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24 minutes ago, sillbeers15 said:

How far can you push the AD300Pro with 20 Beauty Dish? HSS against the sun?

I don’t know. I have the Broncolor version and used it on my Move1200 only.  It’s lacks HSS and I did everything manually. Right now I am traveling with the SMDV Flip 24” and two ad100pro’s. It’s enough for my amateurish use. 

Edited November 16, 2022 by ynp

[Pelu2010]

On 11/9/2022 at 10:11 AM, Sohail said:

I'm a novice with flash but I'm thinking of buying the new Godox XProL II TTL Wireless Flash Trigger for Leica:
https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1712077-REG/godox_xproii_l_leica.html

Pricing aside, what can this Godox system do that the Leica SF60 + SFC1 cannot? And vice-versa.

TIA
Sohail

Ok, if you are using a Leica speed light then this is the only thing you can trigger. And the trigger is so expensive like a speed light from godox. 
 

the new trigger of godox let’s you trigger all 2,4 ghz receiving speed lights and strobes of godox. 
 

And you have highspeed sync and ttl . 
 

the strobes and speed lights are ok. 
 

the quality is ok. 
 

and the light that the strobes make are ok too. 

 

if you need or what a perfect system: profoto….

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49 minutes ago, Pelu2010 said:

if you need or what a perfect system: profoto….

wait! did I miss my delivery?

[sillbeers15]

20 hours ago, Pelu2010 said:

Ok, if you are using a Leica speed light then this is the only thing you can trigger. And the trigger is so expensive like a speed light from godox. 
 

the new trigger of godox let’s you trigger all 2,4 ghz receiving speed lights and strobes of godox. 
 

And you have highspeed sync and ttl . 
 

the strobes and speed lights are ok. 
 

the quality is ok. 
 

and the light that the strobes make are ok too. 

 

if you need or what a perfect system: profoto….

Well said.

As I started the other tread with the title of ‘extending the life of my SL2’ having both established light makers Godox & Profoto supporting Leica camera started my journey of exploring Godox equipment. Why not select Profoto over Godox as many feel that Profoto offers a more premium product over Godox? To me I do not see the differential on product quality $ performance to be significant. I rather had bad experiences communicating with Profoto over possibly of supporting Leica cameras three years ago and remember well the snobbish reply from Profoto brushing off my question. The fast phase of new product development and competitive pricing of photography lighting products, it is no surprise to me that a light maker like Godox can rise up to challenge the status of Godox in the coming near future.

Edited November 17, 2022 by sillbeers15
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[Almizilero]

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I'm still having problems with my SL2-S + AD200Pro and AD200Pro(A) combo. HSS doesn't work with higher shutter speeds, there is always a bright line at the bottom. Everything is on the newest firmware and I even tried a replacement trigger. I described the problem in detail to Godox with comparison images and everything. Now they're asking for a video of the problem. What is that going to prove? I wouldn't even know what to record on the video.

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3 hours ago, Almizilero said:

I'm still having problems with my SL2-S + AD200Pro and AD200Pro(A) combo. HSS doesn't work with higher shutter speeds, there is always a bright line at the bottom. Everything is on the newest firmware and I even tried a replacement trigger. I described the problem in detail to Godox with comparison images and everything. Now they're asking for a video of the problem. What is that going to prove? I wouldn't even know what to record on the video.

I had the same issue on the AD200, but the AD400Pro works fine.

I got godox similar answer 

[Almizilero]

vor 14 Stunden schrieb Photoworks:

I had the same issue on the AD200, but the AD400Pro works fine.

I got godox similar answer 

Interesting. I had other people who had the problem with the AD200Pro as well, but AD200 worked fine. I'll just put something together, the more people complain, the higher the chance of a firmware update, I guess.

What camera are you using? I noticed that the Godox documentation only mentions the SL2 but not the SL2-S as compatible with the XPro-II. Maybe that's where the trouble starts.

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2 hours ago, Almizilero said:

Interesting. I had other people who had the problem with the AD200Pro as well, but AD200 worked fine. I'll just put something together, the more people complain, the higher the chance of a firmware update, I guess.

What camera are you using? I noticed that the Godox documentation only mentions the SL2 but not the SL2-S as compatible with the XPro-II. Maybe that's where the trouble starts.

= you don't think the cameras are very similar ? I used SL2.

I know the M11 does not work, or what they call has not been tested.

I have seen other reports that people can use HSS in manual mode on many flashes. For me the AD200 does not do it, only hSS in ttl.

The AD400P does HSS in manual mode.

[Almizilero]

I do think they're similar, but who knows what minor software differences there are that might interfere with the flash system. I had long conversations with Godox EU, who sent me the second trigger and did a lot of testing themselves. But they couldn't get their hands on an SL2-S so that ended without any result. Then I contacted Godox Worldwide and they asked for the video. Still have to make up my mind what to send them. I'll only send them the nonsensical video version of my already well documented problem because I hope something is gonna happen when people keep complaining and don't stop at the first automated answer they throw at us.

[sillbeers15]

The AD100Pro, AD300Pro & AD600Pro worked well with the XProllL. 
However only first 3 groups A to C has TTL & M mode selection while the remainder group only supports M mode.

The M mode from XProllL can only adjust down from 1/1 power to 1/128 while the flashes actually show 1/256.

I suppose the limitation is not a show stopper for me.

[Sohail]

5 hours ago, sillbeers15 said:

The AD100Pro, AD300Pro & AD600Pro worked well with the XProllL. 
However only first 3 groups A to C has TTL & M mode selection while the remainder group only supports M mode.

The M mode from XProllL can only adjust down from 1/1 power to 1/128 while the flashes actually show 1/256.

I suppose the limitation is not a show stopper for me.

AD200?

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17 hours ago, Sohail said:

AD200?

I have only been a user of Godox products for like a month’s time with the 4 lights I just purchased. Most Leica users I know shy away from using lights. Unfortunately I hv no user experience with AD200.

[Almizilero]

 

Am 17.11.2022 um 17:14 schrieb Almizilero:

I'm still having problems with my SL2-S + AD200Pro and AD200Pro(A) combo. HSS doesn't work with higher shutter speeds, there is always a bright line at the bottom. Everything is on the newest firmware and I even tried a replacement trigger. I described the problem in detail to Godox with comparison images and everything. Now they're asking for a video of the problem. What is that going to prove? I wouldn't even know what to record on the video.

 

Got my answer from Godox and it isn't great.

Basically, the SL2-S isn't officially supported and maybe hasn't even been tested because they assume it'll be the same as the SL2.
The bright line is a known problem and at the moment they don't know how to solve it.
There is a fine print in the manual that addresses the issue and that's their solution for now. („Caution: There are shining edges in HSS flash when collocating with certain models.“)

That dampens my hope for a short term solution via firmware update. Luckily, I didn't see any issues in real world use so far, only in test shots. Still quite annoying that they call Leica prices (the trigger costs way more then for other brands) for a basically unfinished product.

[sillbeers15]

2 hours ago, Almizilero said:

 

 

Got my answer from Godox and it isn't great.

Basically, the SL2-S isn't officially supported and maybe hasn't even been tested because they assume it'll be the same as the SL2.
The bright line is a known problem and at the moment they don't know how to solve it.
There is a fine print in the manual that addresses the issue and that's their solution for now. („Caution: There are shining edges in HSS flash when collocating with certain models.“)

That dampens my hope for a short term solution via firmware update. Luckily, I didn't see any issues in real world use so far, only in test shots. Still quite annoying that they call Leica prices (the trigger costs way more then for other brands) for a basically unfinished product.

I guess I just fortunate to be using SL2 & M10R such that these Leica models happen to be tested & supported by XProllL.
Godox does respond when you write to them. They do respond faster if you are able to communicate with them in Chinese language. 
To me Godox trigger XProIIL is God send in range of outdoor OCFs after struggling with half baked & underpower Nissins ( OEM maker for SFC-1 and SF60) over the past 4 yrs. Also XProllL trigger is only 1/3 the price of a SFC-1. Not forgetting Leica users are just a handful comparing to that of Sony, Nikon & Canon. Development cost needs to be atmotise by volume of sales.
 

[sillbeers15]

I suppose that other than commercial & wedding photographers who work with flashes & strobes regularly have a good idea on ‘how much artificial light at what situation is sufficient?’ Most of us hobbyists include myself would ask and like to know.

For sure I can generalise the three critical factors below matter for consideration on the amount of artificial light needed:

1. Ambient light conditions;

2. Types of light modifier used;

3. Distance between light source & subject.

I live in a country with bright sunshine throughout the seasons so I equip myself OCF lights from 100Ws to 600Ws for varying requirements over 4 Godox strobes acquired since the availability of XProllL appeared a month ago. I will share my experiences as I continue on my learning journey.

[Sohail]

On 11/20/2022 at 3:36 PM, sillbeers15 said:

I have only been a user of Godox products for like a month’s time with the 4 lights I just purchased. Most Leica users I know shy away from using lights. Unfortunately I hv no user experience with AD200.

Just got my Godox XProL. Works seamlessly with AD200 Pro. Pleased with the performance but I have to say that for all its faults the SF60 + SF C1 combo is a much more compact system if like me you need something light and portable. Won't be selling it yet.

Edited November 23, 2022 by Sohail

[sillbeers15]

1 hour ago, Sohail said:

Just got my Godox XProL. Works seamlessly with AD200 Pro. Pleased with the performance but I have to say that for all its faults the SF60 + SF C1 combo is a much more compact system if like me you need something light and portable. Won't be selling it yet.

I have similar thoughts as well. I’m moving both my SF60s + SFC1 to my M10R kit leveraging on it’s compactness. Together with my 3 M lenses of WATE, 35lux & 90 Cron making it my ideal international travel kit over my SL2.

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