vanhulsenbeek Posted September 30, 2007 Share #21 Posted September 30, 2007 Advertisement (gone after registration) Reminds me of a conversation I had a few months back with an American whose principal conclusion about Europe was that McDonalds was not as good as back home. Wish he'd stayed there. He should have! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted September 30, 2007 Posted September 30, 2007 Hi vanhulsenbeek, Take a look here Why didn't I take my M8, My Dlux3 is dead!!!!!. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
Ecaton Posted September 30, 2007 Share #22 Posted September 30, 2007 Replies: This is the fourth, time I have had to purchase new camera gear while in Europe. The first was stolen in baggage, the other times from purses, assualts, and from hotel room, so I just dont want to carry any expensive gear, as I am not a professional going on a shoot. I walk about 6-8 miles a day, and do not want to lug a somewhat heavy camera and lens around for that long. Give me a break! I take the Leica when I travel by car, so I can stash it their. Are you real? You fell victim to how many crimes in Europe? Incident 1: "stolen in baggage". Incidents (you use plural form) 2+: "the other times stolen from purses", Incidents 4+ (plural again): "assaults", incident 6+?: "stolen from hotel room". Yet you had to replace the vanished gear only four times. Guess the police found some of your robbed cameras and brought them back. And you still have the courage to revisit dangerous Europe, even with family! :D Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
fursan Posted September 30, 2007 Share #23 Posted September 30, 2007 I am sorry that your Dlux 3 is not working..have you followed all the suggestions given by the forum members? 1. You are in Leica territory..Europe, Germany, Leica..so fone then and see what they have to suggest. 2. language should not be a problem, they speak almost all languages here. 3. Mark is right and I can vouch for it..here they exchange cameras for euros/$/C$,sterling and roubles and all other international currencies. TC are accepted too, plus Amex, Visa, MC, Diners etc.. 4. You could try buying throw away cameras also..use it and throw away 5. if you are going to Germany, pass by solms. 6. don't leave home without your M8. I am in Europe, decided to save space by not taking the M8, and bot a new DLux 3. It worked the one day i tried it at home.Now when I turn it on, there is NO Image in the LCD viewfinder. The LCD works, as it does show all data on the screen, and the Menu works, but does not display ANY image of what you are looking at or what has been taken, other than the 20 pixs I took before I left. The shutter releases, but in playback, I see nothing. I have read the whole manual, but no use, Am I just forgetting something? Please don't tell me I am here without a camera, except for the 1Mega Pixel, cell phone camera. Thanks!!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
michael_b_elmer Posted September 30, 2007 Share #24 Posted September 30, 2007 I am sorry to hear that your camera seems totally dead. That was not my impression from your post where you said, that you could see pictures taken before your take off and you could also see the menu. See my former post with advice on how to solve the problems you have described. I am glad you will e-mail (or perhaps telephone?) Leica in order to find a solution. You say that there is no Leica dealer in your vicinity. However, I think you are "translating" your American situation into a European one. In every major French city you will find one or more stores with the name FNAC. Everybody interested in pictures and music will go to these shops, which are authorized Leica dealers, and which have also 2nd hand offers (socalled Occasions). So see if you can find a FNAC in the nearest city, and your problems will be quickly solved, since these stores have a well trained staff that knows the products they are selling and will assist you in solving your problems. As Mark said, they may want m-o-n-e-y in return, but not if you are covered by an international Leica guarantee. Europe is beautiful and your memories should be preserved in as good a way as possible. Leica should be your best assistance in that regard. Continue having a wonderful holiday! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
doubice Posted September 30, 2007 Share #25 Posted September 30, 2007 Replies: This is the fourth, time I have had to purchase new camera gear while in Europe. The first was stolen in baggage, the other times from purses, assualts, and from hotel room, so I just dont want to carry any expensive gear, as I am not a professional going on a shoot. I walk about 6-8 miles a day, and do not want to lug a somewhat heavy camera and lens around for that long. Give me a break! I take the Leica when I travel by car, so I can stash it their. This 'Europe' seems to be a pretty dangerous place for you.....I travel to Europe at least once a year, spend 2 - 4 weeks each time, always carry at least two Leica bodies with 4 - 6 lenses and have never run into the misfortune you have...... And I travel through more dangerous places than the French countryside or Toscana....... On a serious note though - from reading other posts on this site, as well as other fora, the dead LCD syndrome seems to be common problem with the D-Lux 3 Obviously, it must be a problem with one of the sub-suppliers, as my 2 year old D-Lux 2 is still very alive. There are many excellent suggestions in this thread (ie contact Leica in Solms), why don't you try some of them? Best, Jan Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
4season Posted September 30, 2007 Share #26 Posted September 30, 2007 Folks, I think Robert's travails are an excellent illustration of why you don't want to embark on a major journey with a brand-new and untested camera, and why leaving it in one's baggage or in the car is a really bad idea, and leaving it in a purse draped over the back of a chair is probably the worst--just tempting fate in all instances. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mreddington Posted September 30, 2007 Share #27 Posted September 30, 2007 Advertisement (gone after registration) I am sorry to hear that your camera seems totally dead. That was not my impression from your post where you said, that you could see pictures taken before your take off and you could also see the menu. See my former post with advice on how to solve the problems you have described. I am glad you will e-mail (or perhaps telephone?) Leica in order to find a solution. You say that there is no Leica dealer in your vicinity. However, I think you are "translating" your American situation into a European one. In every major French city you will find one or more stores with the name FNAC. Everybody interested in pictures and music will go to these shops, which are authorized Leica dealers, and which have also 2nd hand offers (socalled Occasions). So see if you can find a FNAC in the nearest city, and your problems will be quickly solved, since these stores have a well trained staff that knows the products they are selling and will assist you in solving your problems. As Mark said, they may want m-o-n-e-y in return, but not if you are covered by an international Leica guarantee. Europe is beautiful and your memories should be preserved in as good a way as possible. Leica should be your best assistance in that regard. Continue having a wonderful holiday! Michael, I don't think Fnac is an authorised Leica dealer. At least here in Strasbourg I have never seen a trace of Leica in the local branch. I would also question whether the staff are all well trained since I have overheard several sales pitches of the kind "this is better than that since it has more megapixels". On the other hand your are right that a bit of research will show there is a Leica dealer close by. I don't want to be argumentative but the OP would probably be frustrated if he tried to get a Leica in Fnac (although not if he went for the Panasonic equivalent!). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest tummydoc Posted September 30, 2007 Share #28 Posted September 30, 2007 Replies:1. The camera seems totally dead. Orthers on these forums have had the same problem, and had to return them to Leica. It is a known problem, the sensor is replaced. Whether you will convince Leica to authorise an exchange locally is impossible to predict but I am not optimistic. The M8 is a different story. This is the fourth, time I have had to purchase new camera gear while in Europe. The first was stolen in baggage, the other times from purses, So why would you give your wife to carry your M8 in her purse? assualts, Oh, now I see why and from hotel room, so I just dont want to carry any expensive gear, as I am not a professional going on a shoot. I walk about 6-8 miles a day, and do not want to lug a somewhat heavy camera and lens around for that long. So then why did you pay $5000 for an M8, to take pictures inside your home? I take the Leica when I travel by car, so I can stash it their. How insightful of you...thieves would never burgle a rental car or one with out-of-state plates Let me know if there is no one out there, that lets their wife carry something foir them in their purse! Let me know if there is anyone out there whose wife lets them place a kilogramme or more of camera kit in her purse...and if she has a like-minded and single sister...I'm willing to trade up Anyway I am not one of those to wear the camera on my neck. I believe the time required to retrieve a camera from one's wife's purse might be asking to stretch the definition of 'decisive moment' just a bit too far... I am in France, and not always near a camera store that carries Leica. I can hardly find a dealer in my hometown in the US. I hope you aren't basing your assumption on an extrapolation from the US. There are far more Leica stockists per square kilometre in Europe. Anyway I'll buy a canon if I can find one. I don't know what your chances are...France being so third-world and all Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
guy Posted September 30, 2007 Share #29 Posted September 30, 2007 I really can't emphasise enough that travelling to Europe is a bad idea. The food is very unpredictable and rarely served between sesame-seed baps; half of the people don't speak English (and the ones that do have irritating hoity-toity accents); and there's far too much of that so-called "culture" cluttering the place up. I think Disneyland has a kind of "cities of Europe" zone and, honestly, that covers all the bases in just a couple of blocks. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
erlingmm Posted September 30, 2007 Share #30 Posted September 30, 2007 Why not buy another M8 while you're at it? Try: La Maison du Leica 52, Boulevard Beaumarchais 75011 Paris Tel: 01 43 55 24 36 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrc Posted September 30, 2007 Share #31 Posted September 30, 2007 I've got an M8 and more than a handful of lenses and when I went to Europe in July and August I took a D-Lux 3 because, I guess, I'm not a camera weenie. Nothing like spending a week in a city that you don't know anything about, while carrying around fifteen pounds of camera gear so you can take inane pictures of the insides of museums, when they've got perfectly good postcards right there. I really believe that to take insightful photographs of a place, you have to spend some time there; and that doesn't mean a half-hour of walking around. So give the guy a f*ckin' break. As for McDonalds, check out the one across the Gare du Nord in Paris. It's packed with Parisians, not Americans -- that's because you can actually get a thousand calories for four Euros. If you're some upper-class shit who never dines anything but fine, you can put down McDonalds. If you're hungry and have four Euros, your opinion might be different. As for the safety of Europe...er, the OP seems to be having a run of bad luck. I think Paris is a great city to shoot after about six o'clock at night, and the only person who has ever spoken harshly to me, much less assaulted me, was a counter girl in a bakery who objected to the fact that I wanted God's eclairs, before I set her straight by holding up two fingers... Duh. 8-) JC Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
intex Posted October 1, 2007 Author Share #32 Posted October 1, 2007 I can't believe that the majority of posters on this site are so "snotty" ! FYI I probably have lived abroad more than most of you US posters, so I wouldn't say I was an "ugly american" For the poster in Holland, I lived a year in Eindhoven as well, and its nothing to write home about, so stop with the jabs about americans feeling "lost" in Europe. I've spent years travelling with SLR's throughout the world, and have gotten to the stag of "been there-done that", and now want to travel lighter. I forgot that the M8 manual requested that it be taken on all trips abroad. What I do with my cameras are my own business. I just wanted to know if anyone had any suggestions on how to repair this on my own. To those posters that advised me to contact Leica, and ask for a replacement, I really apprecaite the advise. To the other: "get a life" I have contacted them, and am awaiting reply, if no reply, I will go out and purchase a canon. I purchased the Leica, because I am fond of German machinery, and thought I would have less problems, maybe not so in this day and age. Unfortunately too busy these first days to locate a Leica store, unless I find one by happenchance. Thanks for those that did help. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
intex Posted October 1, 2007 Author Share #33 Posted October 1, 2007 jrc, Thanks for the vote of confidence, another person that didn't feel like lugging his M8 and lenses around! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
marknorton Posted October 1, 2007 Share #34 Posted October 1, 2007 I purchased the Leica, because I am fond of German machinery, and thought I would have less problems, maybe not so in this day and age. Ah yes, the Leica D-Lux 3, made in that well known German town of Osaka. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laki Posted October 1, 2007 Share #35 Posted October 1, 2007 I can't believe that the majority of posters on this site are so "snotty" !FYI I probably have lived abroad more than most of you US posters, so I wouldn't say I was an "ugly american" For the poster in Holland, I lived a year in Eindhoven as well, and its nothing to write home about, so stop with the jabs about americans feeling "lost" in Europe. I've spent years travelling with SLR's throughout the world, and have gotten to the stag of "been there-done that", and now want to travel lighter. I forgot that the M8 manual requested that it be taken on all trips abroad. What I do with my cameras are my own business. I just wanted to know if anyone had any suggestions on how to repair this on my own. To those posters that advised me to contact Leica, and ask for a replacement, I really apprecaite the advise. To the other: "get a life" I have contacted them, and am awaiting reply, if no reply, I will go out and purchase a canon. I purchased the Leica, because I am fond of German machinery, and thought I would have less problems, maybe not so in this day and age. Unfortunately too busy these first days to locate a Leica store, unless I find one by happenchance. Thanks for those that did help. i just wanted to remind you of the title of the thread you started: "Why didn't I take my M8, My Dlux3 is dead!!!!!", so what did you expect? that everyone starts to give you TLC just because you're to lazy to carry your m8 and your wife refuses to do so? to get your defective dlux3 working over the forums? cmon, you should be old enough to know that you will have to go to a store and ask them if they can do so, as someone mentioned earlier, all of this sounds just like a prank. and btw. if it thats important for you to take photos, then you would find time to go to a leica store as well rather spending time here justifiying your post. i hope you will find a suitable camera which might make you more happy and also that it's light enough so your wife will carry it for you. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest tummydoc Posted October 1, 2007 Share #36 Posted October 1, 2007 I've got an M8 and more than a handful of lenses and when I went to Europe in July and August I took a D-Lux 3 because, I guess, I'm not a camera weenie. So then, according to you, someone is "not a camera weenie" who buys an M8 for $5000 but leaves it at home in a closet whilst touring Europe with a point-and-shoot (Leica, of course, no Panasonic twin for you!) ROFL! Nothing like spending a week in a city that you don't know anything about, while carrying around fifteen pounds of camera gear An M8 weighs about a pound, add another pound for the bag. How many lenses do you feel obliged to carry when you use your M8, that add up to 13 pounds? so you can take inane pictures of the insides of museums, when they've got perfectly good postcards right there. Then why not leave the DLux-3 at home to keep big brother M8 from feeling lonely back there in your closet, depreciating by the minute, with no-one to caress it whilst you're on holiday? I really believe that to take insightful photographs of a place, you have to spend some time there I believe that to take insightful photographs of a place, you have to have...insight. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlanJW Posted October 1, 2007 Share #37 Posted October 1, 2007 My DLux3 is about a year old and has been flawless. There are some SD cards that just don't work well in these cameras, so the advice to fully charge the battery and try a different card is worth pursuing as it is a possible easy fix. Personally, for my next trip to Europe in a couple of months, I will have my M8 and some lenses (though I won't carry all of them at the same time; usually one on the camera andanother one or two in a small bag. The DLux 3 is the backup. Its not all that heavy and certainly far lighter than a SLR kit --- and a man can carry it himself without using his wife as assistant. Given your bad experiences in losing cameras, I would have thought that you would expect the worst and not go to Europe with only one camera. If you can't get them to exchange the DLux 3, go buy a Canon G9 -- nice little package, get the DLux3 exchanged when you come back, and then sell it so you don't have to deal with it any further. By the way, the G9 shoots RAW if that's important to you. Or do you have your wife do your post processing also? I will refrain from any comments about food, Or about "ugly Americans" -- which I suppose includes me. But I'm from New York and people in the US don't like us either, so I'm used to it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrEd Posted October 1, 2007 Share #38 Posted October 1, 2007 ......... But I'm from New York and people in the US don't like us either, so I'm used to it...... New Yorkers don't like each other either:D .... . Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
intex Posted October 2, 2007 Author Share #39 Posted October 2, 2007 I'll probably receive Flak about any post here, but I spent 1/2 day going to the Leica distributor, after thay asked me to come down. Then after the trip to someplace way out of the way, they then sent me to a delaer and said they would swap the camera. Went to the dealer, and they said Leica was crazy, but after calling them, they said they would repair it in 4-6 weeks. After more insistence, he said that what they referred to was to swap the insides, which takes that long, but as a favor, they would do it in one week. He said this is a COMMON problem with the DLux3, shutter and/or sensor malfunction. So we were all set, until he asked for my copy of the warrenty card + receipt. As if I carry those. I will end up probably paying for it, and getting re-imbursed later, or finding someone to send it to me. I guess all is well, definately not the end of the world, lost a few pixs, but would have bot a new canon if this didn't pan thru. WOULD NOT have taken my M8 in hindsight, as most of the time I am going from biz site to biz site, and see photo ops in between. Thanks to thoise that tried to help. The others, well u know. PS- have a brand new 35mm I do not need, as it is too close to the 28mm I have Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hookeye Posted October 2, 2007 Share #40 Posted October 2, 2007 Sorry to hear that Robert. I thought that when you registered your purchase with Leica it means you do not have to carry your warrantee card with you everywhere. Apparently not. Well, if your Europe tour passes through Norway - I will lend you an M8 for the duration of your stay here. Only to prove to you that Leica users are as crazy as the people who make them. But it will cost you a pint of beer... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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