Is the new M6 too expensive?

[Herr Barnack]

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8 hours ago, Mikep996 said:

If any of the "younger folks" Leica is hoping to attract visited this website, they would never buy a Leica camera.  

Good! 

That leaves more semi-unobtainable M cameras and lenses for we senile citizens!

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[TheBestSLIsALeicaflex]

On 10/31/2022 at 12:14 PM, Huss said:

I do remember seeing ads for the M6 on sale from Leica in the past.  That was because back then they had competition in the marketplace from the Japanese film cameras.  You could buy a Nikon F3 new, which even though it was an SLR, was a high end option.

But now, there is no competition for Leica.  No-one else makes high end 35mm film cameras so they control that market. 

What you say is true, but at that time, if I recall correctly, it was just the start of the "rangefinder renaissance" and shortly thereafter folks were switching en masse to digital.  For a very long time rangefinders were out of fashion, and Leica needed to offer rebates to move products.  If only I purchased some original black paint M3's back then!!!!  Ha, ha, they needed to offer rebates on the R line too!  I remember back then loudmouth experts telling me film days were numbered and wouldn't even to be able to buy it in a few years.  And look at us now, film is enjoying its' own mini-renaissance.  But I'm not sure the lack of new competition today is a huge factor in Leica pricing, because of the sheer amount of used film cameras still available, at relatively cheap prices.  I just think rangefinders have continued to become more popular.  

Edited November 3, 2022 by TheBestSLIsALeicaflex

[earleygallery]

On 11/2/2022 at 1:05 AM, BradS said:

do I detect a hint of sarcasm?

No, you made a great point that nobody else picked up on - how can Leica sell an all new camera for the same price given the R&D costs that would have been involved, unless they're somehow making it more cheaply? More cheaply would usually mean lower quality components and simplified manufacturing/more basic design.

We can't have it all ways!

[BradS]

59 minutes ago, earleygallery said:

No, you made a great point that nobody else picked up on - how can Leica sell an all new camera for the same price given the R&D costs that would have been involved, unless they're somehow making it more cheaply? More cheaply would usually mean lower quality components and simplified manufacturing/more basic design.

We can't have it all ways!

A slightly lower retail price does not necessarily imply lower quality.

You also seem to be assuming a fairly large & expensive R&D effort went into the new M6. This seems like a very dubious assumption.

Edited November 3, 2022 by BradS

[Huss]

18 minutes ago, BradS said:

A slightly lower retail price does not necessarily imply lower quality.

You also seem to be assuming a fairly large & expensive R&D effort went into the new M6. This seems like a very dubious assumption.

10am:

"Johann, what you thinking?"

"Friedrich, let's take the MP, put on the old angled rewind knob, paint it black, use the old Leitz badge"

10:02 am

"want to get a coffee?"

[Huss]

4 hours ago, Al Brown said:

(At coffee place eating Strudel mit Vanillasauce):

”Johannes dear, why don’t we start a rumor that new M6 is waaaaay different than the MP and that we will only be able to fix the former in the future?”

”Friedrich, you Lederhosen loving Genius! That’s brilliant! Brunhilda, schnapps for everyone!”

And now I really want strudel mit vanillasauce!  Here they serve strudel hot with vanilla ice cream.  Which is also very good.

[Huss]

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4 hours ago, Al Brown said:

(At coffee place eating Strudel mit Vanillasauce):

”Johannes dear, why don’t we start a rumor that new M6 is waaaaay different than the MP and that we will only be able to fix the former in the future?”

”Friedrich, you Lederhosen loving Genius! That’s brilliant! Brunhilda, schnapps for everyone!”

Walking in the park a little while later

”But what can we say is the reason for the differences?”

At that moment Brunhilda runs up to hand over a monocle one of them left at the cafe.

”Herren, just say supply chain issues!  We use that excuse all the time if we forget to put the marzipan in the Franzbrotchen.  Our customers believe us every time!”