jaapv Posted September 21, 2007 Share #1 Â Posted September 21, 2007 Advertisement (gone after registration) This post: http://www.l-camera-forum.com/leica-forum/leica-m8-forum/34377-my-second-m8-m8-ver-2-a.html by Manuel (ArtZ) set me thinking. A dealer ordering 50:eek: Leica M cameras? Unheard of since the sixties... So if this anecdotal evidence shows the M8 to be a runaway succes, how on earth can Leica find the production capacity for an R10? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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platoali Posted September 21, 2007 Share #2 Â Posted September 21, 2007 I read that R10 will be produced in Portugal. But I'm not sure. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andybarton Posted September 21, 2007 Share #3 Â Posted September 21, 2007 That order has been cancelled, according to a poster in the M8 section because Leica changed the firmware to accommodate a new internal part. Â The M8 seems to have been really bad news for Leica, judging by the traffic in that section. Â What a shame it can take such nice pictures Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted September 21, 2007 Author Share #4  Posted September 21, 2007 That order has been cancelled, according to a poster in the M8 section because Leica changed the firmware to accommodate a new internal part. The M8 seems to have been really bad news for Leica, judging by the traffic in that section.  What a shame it can take such nice pictures  He might tell his customer that, and even mean it on incomplete information - but if he is any kind of businessman he'll un-cancel it double quick Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pascal_meheut Posted September 21, 2007 Share #5  Posted September 21, 2007 That order has been cancelled, according to a poster in the M8 section because Leica changed the firmware to accommodate a new internal part. The M8 seems to have been really bad news for Leica, judging by the traffic in that section.  Andy, I may have missed something here but why the M8 would be bad news ? It is a huge success and probably a part of Leica being profitable again.  BTW, I would not conclude anything general from something heard at "La Maison du Leica". Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest tummydoc Posted September 21, 2007 Share #6  Posted September 21, 2007 He might tell his customer that, and even mean it on incomplete information - but if he is any kind of businessman he'll un-cancel it double quick  What's important to him--or at least should be is selling cameras, and until he's convinced that this latest blunder on the part of Leica's marketing department won't have a lasting impact on customer perception, he'd be smart not to commit himself to the tune of approximately a quarter-million euros. It isn't his responsibility, nor does he have the credibility, to assuage customer fears and misconceptions. Leica had best issue a clarification, in concise terms that no-one can call vague or evasive or open to interpretation, that hardware changes do not offer a performance advantage over the cameras made before those changes. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
elansprint72 Posted September 21, 2007 Share #7 Â Posted September 21, 2007 Advertisement (gone after registration) Jaap, Don't drag the M8 into the sane digital forum, there is a separate place for all the hysterical stuff and nonsense. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FastFashnReloaded Posted September 21, 2007 Share #8  Posted September 21, 2007 That order has been cancelled, according to a poster in the M8 section because Leica changed the firmware to accommodate a new internal part. The M8 seems to have been really bad news for Leica, judging by the traffic in that section.  What a shame it can take such nice pictures  I disagree, Andy, and I'm surprised that you would say that. (snark snark snark) ;-)  What would have been bad for Leica is to have had no M digital at all. I can hear the screaming now.  We risk getting into a James Dobson mindset. For example:  "Isn't Thompson the candidate who is opposed to a Constitutional amendment to protect marriage, believes there should be 50 different definitions of marriage in the U.S., favors McCain-Feingold, won't talk at all about what he believes, and can't speak his way out of a paper bag on the campaign trail? He has no passion, no zeal, and no apparent 'want to.' And yet he is apparently the Great Hope that burns in the breasts of many conservative Christians? Well, not for me, my brothers. Not for me!"  http://www.cbn.com/CBNnews/235093.aspx  In other words, nothing is bloody well ever good enough, things should be perfect, blah blah blah. Of course, like the President never ACTUALLY having been in a war himself but content to send others, the worst whiners on these boards could not design a piece of electronics or program code to save themselves, and they have no comprehension about how the electronics industry (s) work. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andybarton Posted September 21, 2007 Share #9  Posted September 21, 2007 Andy, I may have missed something here but why the M8 would be bad news ? It is a huge success and probably a part of Leica being profitable again. BTW, I would not conclude anything general from something heard at "La Maison du Leica".  Do you ever read anything very positive in the M8 section? It's all doom and gloom despite the camera being able to take excellent photographs.  "The sky is falling! The sky is falling! The M8 I might buy next week has a different USB chip to the one I bought last week! They should have told me about this v2 model! They lied to me!"  Please... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andybarton Posted September 21, 2007 Share #10 Â Posted September 21, 2007 What's important to him--or at least should be is selling cameras, and until he's convinced that this latest blunder on the part of Leica's marketing department won't have a lasting impact on customer perception, he'd be smart not to commit himself to the tune of approximately a quarter-million euros. It isn't his responsibility, nor does he have the credibility, to assuage customer fears and misconceptions. Leica had best issue a clarification, in concise terms that no-one can call vague or evasive or open to interpretation, that hardware changes do not offer a performance advantage over the cameras made before those changes. Â No one has said that they DO offer a performance advantage over the cameras made before those changes! It's only people on forums like this one that speculate! Â I have read the Leica email (in English) and it's quite clear to me what has been done and why. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pascal_meheut Posted September 21, 2007 Share #11  Posted September 21, 2007 Do you ever read anything very positive in the M8 section? It's all doom and gloom despite the camera being able to take excellent photographs.  No but I've almost stopped reading it. 90% of the messages seems to fall into a limited number of categories:  "should I buy a M8 ? Because I read it had problem" "my M8 has a problem, is it banding ?" "my M8 has details in shadow and high resolution"  As you can guess, this is of limited interest for me. And of course I agree with you: wonderful camera, beautiful images. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andybarton Posted September 21, 2007 Share #12 Â Posted September 21, 2007 The best one recently was... Â "My M8, that I no longer have, because it was swapped out by Leica, had some banding 9 months ago. Here's a shot from it. Is this banding?" Â Â Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stunsworth Posted September 21, 2007 Share #13 Â Posted September 21, 2007 As you can guess, this is of limited interest for me. And of course I agree with you: wonderful camera, beautiful images. Â Pascal, couldn't agree more on both counts. It's a madhouse there at the moment, perhaps I'll wait for things to calm down before I return. On second thoughts some of the opinions are so bizarre that I may keep looking for amusement. Â Sorry Pete. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest tummydoc Posted September 21, 2007 Share #14 Â Posted September 21, 2007 It's only people on forums like this one that speculate! Â But since those people buy Leica products, whilst you might have the luxury of dismissing them, Leica does not. And other potential buyers read the forums and Leica oughtn't leave the fate of future sales and the loyalty of existing customers in the hands of forum moderators and/or beta-testers, no matter how persuasive you may think you are. A clarification from them officially would be in order here, even though you and I don't need one. Â I have read the Leica email (in English) and it's quite clear to me what has been done and why. Â It's quite clear to me that they have substituted some hardware and that required a change in firmware. What that hardware is, what it does, and whether there is any significant change in the performance of the camera as a result is, unfortunately, left to speculation. Again, a concise statement from Leica, not you or I or Guy or Jaapv or Sean, would swiftly quash any misunderstandings--and clearly there are those, whether you or I or Guy or Jaapv or Sean feel they are justified or not. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andybarton Posted September 21, 2007 Share #15 Â Posted September 21, 2007 ... in the hands of forum moderators and/or beta-testers, no matter how persuasive you may think you are. Â I am under no illusion as to how persuasive I am. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pascal_meheut Posted September 21, 2007 Share #16 Â Posted September 21, 2007 . Again, a concise statement from Leica, not you or I or Guy or Jaapv or Sean, would swiftly quash any misunderstandings--and clearly there are those, whether you or I or Guy or Jaapv or Sean feel they are justified or not. Â I wonder if any statement can stop the Internet forums to speculate ad nauseam about anything. In fact, a more detailed statement will just feed the beast and the usual self-appointed "experts" will dissert on details, prices, plot theories... Â I think I remember Leica saying once that they were very careful about what they post on the Internet because of the crazyness of the forums. And I'm sure they asked me to be discreet about the content of our e-mail exchanges. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted September 21, 2007 Author Share #17 Â Posted September 21, 2007 Lets get back OT. I'm at least part of me is a wildlife photographer. I'm pining for an R10, but one that will probably never be.... A small box, with a 1.3 or 1.5 sensor whch takes the superb R telezooms and has an image quality equal to the M8. Manual focus and simple on-nonsense, complementing my M8.... Leica please? And make a space to build it soon? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hankg Posted September 21, 2007 Share #18 Â Posted September 21, 2007 I wonder if any statement can stop the Internet forums to speculate ad nauseam about anything.In fact, a more detailed statement will just feed the beast and the usual self-appointed "experts" will dissert on details, prices, plot theories... Â I just looked through the posts on the firmware update and the comment by Tummy Doc in this forum. I'm astonished. I agree there is nothing Leica could do or say that isn't going to instigate a new frenzy of nonsense. Leica doesn't need a marketing department they need a psychoanalyst to deal with the obsessive paranoia displayed in these threads. It's really over the top. Maybe they should include a box of prozac with every M8. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
elansprint72 Posted September 21, 2007 Share #19 Â Posted September 21, 2007 Lets get back OT. I'm at least part of me is a wildlife photographer. I'm pining for an R10, but one that will probably never be....A small box, with a 1.3 or 1.5 sensor whch takes the superb R telezooms and has an image quality equal to the M8. Manual focus and simple on-nonsense, complementing my M8.... Leica please? And make a space to build it soon? Â The answer to your original question is obviously YES. Â Why not contact Leica direct, instead of asking for opinions on this forum? It's quite obvious that none of us here (including the two self-inflated wind-bags) know Jack Shit about what is going on in the panic-stricken corridors at Solms. Â Some of us lesser digital dudes are too busy taking (often poor, but enthusiatic) photos to give a frigging ming about the latest firmware, software or whatever the latest M8 problem is. Â If you posted your question on the M8 forum, I'm sure that you would get hundreds of learned responses. Â Have a good week-end. Â btw, I enjoy your photos Jaap. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulmoore Posted September 21, 2007 Share #20  Posted September 21, 2007 I disagree, Andy, and I'm surprised that you would say that. (snark snark snark) ;-) What would have been bad for Leica is to have had no M digital at all. I can hear the screaming now.  We risk getting into a James Dobson mindset. For example:  "Isn't Thompson the candidate who is opposed to a Constitutional amendment to protect marriage, believes there should be 50 different definitions of marriage in the U.S., favors McCain-Feingold, won't talk at all about what he believes, and can't speak his way out of a paper bag on the campaign trail? He has no passion, no zeal, and no apparent 'want to.' And yet he is apparently the Great Hope that burns in the breasts of many conservative Christians? Well, not for me, my brothers. Not for me!"  http://www.cbn.com/CBNnews/235093.aspx  In other words, nothing is bloody well ever good enough, things should be perfect, blah blah blah. Of course, like the President never ACTUALLY having been in a war himself but content to send others, the worst whiners on these boards could not design a piece of electronics or program code to save themselves, and they have no comprehension about how the electronics industry (s) work.   HEY - spare us your political pontifications.. I for one, am not interested. How one can take the topic of leica and deform it to fit into ones political belief system is beyond me. I think you owe the whole forum an apology and a promise to leave that stuff at the door, or else do us all a favor and show yourself to the door. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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