Leica M11 – a field report after four months

[tashley]

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35 minutes ago, KeyofG said:

Need to crop a lot?

No. Like to avoid both it and upscaling. 

[KeyofG]

29 minutes ago, tashley said:

No. Like to avoid both it and upscaling. 

Okay because roadside billboards  don’t need a lot of megapixels since you’re looking at them from far away. Not sure why the M rangefinder needed 60MP other than it’s just something to differentiate from the M10R. 
 

So mamy posts on this forum about how taking photos at 60MP for “street” is such a waste with the M11. That you only need 18MP and you shouldn’t be taking your photos at 60MP. It’s hilarious. Never mind by selecting 36 or 18 you’re really taking a worse quality photo, not just less megapixels. 
 

What’s a Leica M rangefinder for? Landscapes and Sports? 🤷🏻‍♂️

Edited May 12, 2022 by KeyofG

[Olaf_ZG]

The discussion left a bit its track. Without doubt the m11 is a great camera. To me ibis and high iso on a rf are not needed. Heck, I shot weddings on  400iso with the contax g1. Flash was and still is a better remedy. Most portraits in low light with high iso most often results in an unflattering portrait.

 I do like the feature of the m11 to select raw file size. It existed always for jpeg, now we have it for raw. 18mp would be enough for daily shots but the possibility to be able to increase makes this a very valuable feature to me.

That aside, I do not believe that I would get a better image from either the m8, sl, m10 or m11. Or any other brand.

 I made money with the other brands, but no other brand gave me more joy in shootings with digital equipment. And because this joy, i might be inspired and therefore should better, but that is within the brand.

And if I am honest, the photo thread of the m11 exceeded the m10r one in quantity, it certainly did not in quality. Most, if not all, could have been taken with a lesser camera…

[tashley]

46 minutes ago, KeyofG said:

Okay because roadside billboards  don’t need a lot of megapixels since you’re looking at them from far away. Not sure why the M rangefinder needed 60MP other than it’s just something to differentiate from the M10R. 
 

So mamy posts on this forum about how taking photos at 60MP for “street” is such a waste with the M11. That you only need 18MP and you shouldn’t be taking your photos at 60MP. It’s hilarious. Never mind by selecting 36 or 18 you’re really taking a worse quality photo, not just less megapixels. 
 

What’s a Leica M rangefinder for? Landscapes and Sports? 🤷🏻‍♂️

I use mine for everything other than sport, which I don’t do, and when I need very serious resolution or automated stacking etc, for which I use 150mp phase back.

What I have done is sell my hassy X1D because the M11 fills in for it with effectively the same results in a much smaller lighter package.

I frequently make large prints sold in editions at sizes of 1 metre plus on the long side, which hang in places where people get up close. I use every pixel of those 60mp. 

[KeyofG]

1 hour ago, tashley said:

I frequently make large prints sold in editions at sizes of 1 metre plus on the long side,

This one Bresson shot in 1948. Looks great printed big.

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The 60MP thing is a myth IMO. Marketing. IMO. 
 

 

[hdmesa]

18 hours ago, Olaf_ZG said:

So, now, somebody stating one doesn’t need a m11 for good work is a troll?

nice way to kill a discussion.

but ok, if you believe that you need the best gear in order to create your best work, so be it. 

I believe more that I need light, a muse, inspiration, feeling and such to create my work…

But then, I am a troll, those things think differently…

I wasn't talking about you or to you.

[fil-m]

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 I could not care less if the MP figure is 40, 60 or 80 as long as the camera provides a great experience in usability and produces exceptional files to work with. In addition, yes I crop, when there is a scene, I am still far and don't want to lose it, I make the shot and then crop it to make it look like I initially wanted it to be. The M11 is an exceptionally forgiving camera in that sense as the pixel quality of the files (when using a good lens obviously) is high.

All Ms are exceptional tools, I'd focus on using them rather than thinking if the MP count could or should have been 26, 42, 60 or 77 MP. Anyway maybe the debate exceeds my understanding and sense of humour, so just sharing my view.

[jrp]

On 5/10/2022 at 8:08 PM, trickness said:

Can’t wait to see the technical pinnacle of dog on couch and beer glass photographs shot at 0.95 with a 200 megapixel camera

I dont think that you’ll see that. That sort of pic will be computer generated (as quite a lot of ads are already). 

[trickness]

2 hours ago, jrp said:

I dont think that you’ll see that. That sort of pic will be computer generated (as quite a lot of ads are already). 

We'll see it here on the forum, bet on it

[hdmesa]

On 5/10/2022 at 1:08 PM, trickness said:

Can’t wait to see the technical pinnacle of dog on couch and beer glass photographs shot at 0.95 with a 200 megapixel camera

 

32 minutes ago, trickness said:

We'll see it here on the forum, bet on it

I already take 🐈 photos at 60mp and f/1.4, so why is it any more laughable at 200mp and f/0.95? 🤫 For that matter, why is it not silly to take pet photos with a 12mp mobile device, which is pretty high-res compared to the first consumer digital cameras?

Maybe it's just silly to take silly photos.

[trickness]

15 minutes ago, hdmesa said:

 

I already take 🐈 photos at 60mp and f/1.4, so why is it any more laughable at 200mp and f/0.95? 🤫 For that matter, why is it not silly to take pet photos with a 12mp mobile device, which is pretty high-res compared to the first consumer digital cameras?

Maybe it's just silly to take silly photos.

It’s silly to spend 20 grand on photographic equipment when one doesn’t know how to take a decent photograph, sillier still to come onto a forum like this and complain that the gear isn’t up to it. But it’s a free country I guess 🧐
 

 

[hdmesa]

7 minutes ago, trickness said:

It’s silly to spend 20 grand on photographic equipment when one doesn’t know how to take a decent photograph, sillier still to come onto a forum like this and complain that the gear isn’t up to it. But it’s a free country I guess 🧐
 

 

*Old man shakes fist at kids on lawn*

 

[trickness]

3 hours ago, hdmesa said:

*Old man shakes fist at kids on lawn*

 

Ageism is ok, but raising the possibility that some people are more about the gear fetish than the work is taboo, I get it

[hdmesa]

9 minutes ago, trickness said:

Ageism is ok, but raising the possibility that some people are more about the gear fetish than the work is taboo, I get it

Not taboo, just a worn out song on a worn out record player.

[trickness]

2 minutes ago, hdmesa said:

Not taboo, just a worn out song on a worn out record player.

Doesn’t make it any less true. We done now?

[hdmesa]

2 minutes ago, trickness said:

Doesn’t make it any less true. We done now?

We are. Unless you want to start calling out people specifically who you deem unworthy of their gear. That would be fun.

[Olaf_ZG]

1 hour ago, hdmesa said:

We are. Unless you want to start calling out people specifically who you deem unworthy of their gear. That would be fun.

That would be around 99% of us if you look where gear is the limiting factor in better images. 
as said before in this thread, the gear is more than enough, we are the constraints.

now GAS, techtalk and so on is part of the hobby as well, hence the many discussions.

[hdmesa]

12 minutes ago, Olaf_ZG said:

That would be around 99% of us if you look where gear is the limiting factor in better images. 
as said before in this thread, the gear is more than enough, we are the constraints.

now GAS, techtalk and so on is part of the hobby as well, hence the many discussions.

Tech has been “more than enough” for a long time. It was good enough before you bought whatever it is you own now. It’s a pointless point to make. And we are literally having this discussion in a sub-forum about the latest gear, the M11. It’s not like we’re talking in a sub-forum dedicated to the craft of photography. 

[Olaf_ZG]

42 minutes ago, hdmesa said:

And we are literally having this discussion in a sub-forum about the latest gear, the M11. It’s not like we’re talking in a sub-forum dedicated to the craft of photography. 

Fair point.
 

I guess the latter forum would have too little visitors as somehow tech always win. Who cares about the light anyway? With xxxxxxx iso possibility one doesn’t need light.

which makes me wondering if f.e. painters are so fanatically discussing their brushes and canvasses on their forum… 

 

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[jrichie]

On 5/15/2022 at 2:53 PM, hdmesa said:

Tech has been “more than enough” for a long time. It was good enough before you bought whatever it is you own now. It’s a pointless point to make. And we are literally having this discussion in a sub-forum about the latest gear, the M11. It’s not like we’re talking in a sub-forum dedicated to the craft of photography. 

My 9 year old son commented on an average family photograph taken 40 years ago on no doubt an average point and shoot 35mm camera.

his comment was, that picture is just as good as anything he has seen today.  He said this without any prompting so was an honest reaction, and made me smile [but also realise that he was actually right]

 

Edited May 16, 2022 by jrichie