Direct dynamic range comparisons between M10 and M (240 or 262)?

[BarberShop]

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I've been shooting and loving my M 262 for the past half a year, but one thing that bugs me is that the dynamic range is lacking compared to many other cameras I've used. I've even done direct comparisons between it and my Fuji X-S10, shooting a sky with sun and clouds with the same exposure settings. There is at least a stop less highlight recovery in the Leica. The shadow recovery is quite similar, although there is more banding on the Leica. 

I have been toying with the idea of upgrading to an M10 for a variety of reasons. One of them being hopefully increased latitude. Does anyone have any direct comparisons I could look at?

[jankap]

You mean this/these:

https://photonstophotos.net/Charts/PDR.htm

[BarberShop]

12 minutes ago, jankap said:

You mean this/these:

https://photonstophotos.net/Charts/PDR.htm

Thanks but I have already seen the DXO charts. I would like to see some real world photos if anyone has any. And more specifically, to see the latitude in the highlights. 

[Adam Bonn]

No comparisons I'm afraid but I've owned both cameras (still have the 10), I wouldn't like to make on a memory call on their respective highlight recovery abilities... the M10 isn't great with highlight recovery, maybe 1/2 a stop.. 100 isn't the true base ISO and clips highlights early, 200 has more highlight recovery.

But the M10 is vastly superior at recovering shadow detail compared to the 240, with far less noise/banding penalties and no green shadow shift.

From what I've seen the M11 is much better at highlight recovery, but the M10R is also very good. (I don't own either)

IMHO the latitude on the M10 is all about shadow recovery 

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I meant to do that shot on the left honest 😇

shot on the right is the same shot with the following edits (just to show you have much push I made)

Maybe OMMV, but when I had the 240 (which was only 9 months ago) I'd have never gotten away with a 5stop exposure push like I can on the M10.

Just don't be clipping highlights with it.

Sadly I never shot the 240 and m10 side by side, as I had to sell the former to pay for the latter

Sorry I haven't got a direct comparison

 

[Adam Bonn]

again not a 240/10 comparison... but

 

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with highlights there's not much recovery... 

[BarberShop]

Thanks Adam. I appreciate you posting the develop settings too. I did some more research and found two youtubers who say the M10 doesn't have as much highlight latitude as other modern sensors (inc Fujis). I'm not concerned with getting crazy amounts of DR out of my images anyway so with the shadow recoverability improvement I could just underexpose when appropriate. 

[Adam Bonn]

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FWIW... I agonised about the 240 - M10 upgrade (well agonised about paying for it), but I can honestly say I haven't regretted it.

Sure the M10 is a little bit old hat these days, but it's (IMO) a nicer camera than the 240, it feels better in the hand, the files aren't night and day apart in terms of colours, but the M10 files are better, there's a lot less bias towards red in the white balance, they're easier to work on in post and the viewfinder is better. It's a big shame that 100 isn't the real base ISO (and nor is it 200, it's somewhere in the middle and not user selectable - wtf were Leica thinking?)

I haven't looked back to be honest

But if you've less budgetary constraints than I have, the M10R (or M11) might suit you better

[Chriselkjar]

I have both of these cameras in hand if anyone has any specific comparisons. I don't find them to be hugely different but the M10 is better in small ways in every measure. Definitely evolution not revolution. 

[nilsen]

I don't have any direct comparisons as I sold my m262 to get my m10 (and later an m10r). I think you will definitely notice a difference in dynamic range between the two sensors. Also as ISO increases the m10 files keep having more latitude. TBH, the m262 sensor was a little dated when it came out already, although its still a beast capable of beautiful images.