Comparison of Leica M11, Sony a1, and Sony a7r4 at ISO 12,500

[bab]

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On 1/14/2022 at 9:15 AM, Steve Ricoh said:

Rumour has it the sensor in the M11 is from Sony; emphasis on rumour.

I don't think so it has been reported already on a German site where the sensor is from....not Sony

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[bab]

I seem to be reading mixed reviews as to the auto white balance, auto ISO, high ISO ceilings and buggy firmware in the Leica M11.

Might it be that the firmware is premature with latest cameras and still be in need of several tweeks?

As some of you state the 50mm APO lags behind in comparison to the Sony 50mm gm although Leica claims the 50mm APO is a perfect lens and the best lens Leica has ever made?

 

[onasj]

4 hours ago, bab said:

I seem to be reading mixed reviews as to the auto white balance, auto ISO, high ISO ceilings and buggy firmware in the Leica M11.

Might it be that the firmware is premature with latest cameras and still be in need of several tweeks?

As some of you state the 50mm APO lags behind in comparison to the Sony 50mm gm although Leica claims the 50mm APO is a perfect lens and the best lens Leica has ever made?

 

When the 50 APO was released *TEN YEARS AGO*, Leica’s claims about the lens being arguably the best 50 mm lens from an optical standpoint were pretty much true. But a lot of lens design and manufacturing advances have been made over the past decade. I don’t think there is any doubt that purely from an optical point of view, the 50 GM sets a new standard.  Mind you, I still use my 50 APO more often than the 50 GM, and I love all my Leica bits, but math is math.

[John Smith]

12 hours ago, onasj said:

When the 50 APO was released *TEN YEARS AGO*, Leica’s claims about the lens being arguably the best 50 mm lens from an optical standpoint were pretty much true. But a lot of lens design and manufacturing advances have been made over the past decade. I don’t think there is any doubt that purely from an optical point of view, the 50 GM sets a new standard.  Mind you, I still use my 50 APO more often than the 50 GM, and I love all my Leica bits, but math is math.

This is true. The 50mm APO set a new standard, but now even the 50SL Lux is sharper and more corrected. The SL primes set a new standard for Leica just a few years ago.

[Jon Warwick]

16 minutes ago, John Smith said:

This is true. The 50mm APO set a new standard, but now even the 50SL Lux is sharper and more corrected. The SL primes set a new standard for Leica just a few years ago.

...yes, the SL primes are incredible, and the SL Summicrons (I had the SL 50 Summicron) are presumably sharper and more corrected than the 50SL Lux.  For things like Landscapes, they're wonderful.

For Portraits, however, I often find such lenses too sharp and with too high contrast & acuity to be naturally pleasing. I know there are re-releases like the 50 Noctilux 1.2, but it's not clear to me yet if that is a solution in adding a filmic "softness" to Portraits, or whether such a lens would mainly be adding just out-of-focus "blur"?

 

 

 

Edited January 18, 2022 by Jon Warwick