using a voigtlander 28 mm f1.9

[Laurence Siegel]

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I'm new to the M10 monochrom. I'm using a Voigtlander 28mm 1.9 lens. When I go to the camera menu there is no 

1.9 28mm listed. When I take pictures the camera tells me it sees a 21 mm lens.

The bright lines in the rangefinder (28-90)don't seem to fit my view. I am seeing lots of image around the brigthtlines when I view

the image. It seems my image is the entire frame. Any thoughts?

Laurence

 

[jdlaing]

It’s not listed because there is no Leica 28mm f/1.9 lens. No Voigtlander lenses are in that list. You need to pick a lens from the Leica list that comes as close as it can to a 28mm f/2.0 lens. The 11672 model comes to mind. The framelines are optimized for certain distances. Look in the owners manual for the section on framelines and it should explain it for you.

[Laurence Siegel]

Thanks Benutzer for responding. I'll look for the 11672. The Framelines in the manual show  the 28 mm and the 90 mm together.

The images I take with my 28mm lens result in an image that goes outside the 28mm frame lines to the edge of the frame.

 

Laurence

[jdlaing]

1 hour ago, Laurence Siegel said:

Thanks Benutzer for responding. I'll look for the 11672. The Framelines in the manual show  the 28 mm and the 90 mm together.

The images I take with my 28mm lens result in an image that goes outside the 28mm frame lines to the edge of the frame.

 

Laurence

The 28 framelines are almost to the outside of the viewfinder. Look at the distance the subject matter is from the camera. The further away, if I’m not mistaken, will result in a slight difference. Accurate framing takes a little practice but you’ll get it.

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7 hours ago, Laurence Siegel said:

1) I'm new to the M10 monochrom. I'm using a Voigtlander 28mm 1.9 lens. When I go to the camera menu there is no 1.9 28mm listed.

2) When I take pictures the camera tells me it sees a 21 mm lens.

3) The bright lines in the rangefinder (28-90)don't seem to fit my view. I am seeing lots of image around the brigthtlines when I view

the image. It seems my image is the entire frame. Any thoughts?

 

Thoughts.

1) The Leica M mount, especially as regards recognizing lenses (via a patented 6-bit optical-bar-code system), is not an "open standard."

Nikons or Canons or Fujis easily allow you to use third-party Sigma or Tamron lenses in their mounts, right out of the box, because N/C/F license all the specs for their lens mounts to those (and other) companies.

Leica does not do that for the M mount. Leica figures if you want to use a Voigtlander lens on your Leica M - that's your problem to solve, not theirs. They do not support ID-ing any lenses but their own, even if they fit and operate correctly otherwise.

There are ways to get around that. jdlaing mentioned a couple - we can discuss others.

2) If any lens mounted is not 6-bit coded (and your Voigtlander won't be 6-bit coded unless you have done it yourself) - the M10 will default to whatever lens is currently selected in the manual lens menu list. Or possibly a random lens, depending on such things as whether the lens mount is dirty or not. If you mount the lens and then go into the menu and select "28mm Summicron-M 11672," that will be as close as you can get.

3. You are correct - the framelines for 28mm lenses built into most Leica M bodies are woefully undersized. You will get a lot more in the final picture than the lines suggest. I won't go into the long train of "historical happenstance" from years past that causes this, unless you want it. It is about a 15% error.

"The whole viewfinder" is slightly closer for 28s, but still results in pretty "loose" framing.

Up until 1981, Leica did not even try to include 28 lines in the M cameras. Leica sold (and has continued to sell, on and off) separate accessory "brightline" 28mm viewfinders that slide into the hot shoe. Other companies (including Voigtlander) also sell or once sold such "accessory" viewfinders for a variety of focal lengths - used ones are out there.

Other than that - you crop the final picture to match how you "saw" it - or learn to frame extra-tight with the internal 28 framelines (if you can even see them without contortions) and count on that extra 15% being included.

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[Laurence Siegel]

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Thanks Benutzer for responding. I'll look for the 11672. The Framelines in the manual show  the 28 mm and the 90 mm together.

The images I take with my 28mm lens result in an image that goes outside the 28mm frame lines to the edge of the frame.

 

Laurence

[Laurence Siegel]

thanks again,

I've found a 28mm 2.0 lens in the menu and I'l use that one.

Is there a way of specifying a 28mm 1.9 (not much difference)?

As for the brightlines, I find that I ahve to get in very close to shoot so that I get only what I want (what's inside the '28mm lines in the range finder)

I don't mind getting close particularly for street photography but it seems to me that in that case the camer is acting as if the lens is a 21 or 18 mm lens.

For the price we pay for the M10 there should be a better 'work around'.

Does the Q2 with a fixed 28mm have the same peculiarity?

If I used a leica 28 would I have the same problem?

I'll try to locate a 'clip on' 28 mm finder.

Thanks for the conversation.

Laurence Siegel - Toronto

 

[jdlaing]

10 minutes ago, Laurence Siegel said:

thanks again,

I've found a 28mm 2.0 lens in the menu and I'l use that one.

Is there a way of specifying a 28mm 1.9 (not much difference)?

As for the brightlines, I find that I ahve to get in very close to shoot so that I get only what I want (what's inside the '28mm lines in the range finder)

I don't mind getting close particularly for street photography but it seems to me that in that case the camer is acting as if the lens is a 21 or 18 mm lens.

For the price we pay for the M10 there should be a better 'work around'.

Does the Q2 with a fixed 28mm have the same peculiarity?

If I used a leica 28 would I have the same problem?

I'll try to locate a 'clip on' 28 mm finder.

Thanks for the conversation.

Laurence Siegel - Toronto

 

No way to specify a 1.9 as it wouldn’t do any good.

The Q2 is an evf camera so what you see in the viewfinder is what you get. 
 

A 28 is a 28 with regard to the framelines.

Good luck with it.